tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post1569239750058136292..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Dawkins Scare Little ChildrenLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-52725083725835909772013-01-05T14:12:22.882+13:002013-01-05T14:12:22.882+13:00Come on ZT, I was making a direct comparison betwe...Come on ZT, I was making a direct comparison <b>between</b> 2 books, it was not a simple binary choice, and thus no false dilemma.<br /><br />A true false dilemma would look something like "Jesus loves you so much that if you don't love him right back you'll burn in hell".<br /><br />Or your own non-argument above equating road safety with religious indoctrination.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-70151217661507598222012-12-22T22:45:34.916+13:002012-12-22T22:45:34.916+13:00On reading of those two books: How about reading t...On reading of those two books: How about reading this one instead:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma" rel="nofollow">logical fallacies - the false dilemma</a>ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-44540328489634044092012-12-22T22:42:36.474+13:002012-12-22T22:42:36.474+13:00LRO - would you like to cite studies that prove yo...LRO - would you like to cite studies that prove your assertions about religious versus rational humanists? I suspect the sample size and lack of rational humanists might be an inhibiting factor.<br /><br />LRO said: "<em> Pointing out that some beliefs are harmful is not hate, it is the right thing to do.</em>"<br /><br />Actually, that's exactly why some people teach about God and sin and consequences. That's exactly my point about crossing roads. Telling some-one it important to look is not scare tactics - it's the right thing to do. Yet Dawkins is labeling it as the crime of the century.<br /><br />When you asked what the "proper way" was to teach about all aspects of religion, you fell back into the same trap I pointed out Dawkins falls into. You assume that those scare tactics are how such things are taught. That is not teaching, that is scaring for ulterior motives - for gaining control. Teaching would use a different approach.<br /><br />Try reading the post again, a bit slower. Your points do not actually address the substance of my post. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-7823737752273400362012-12-22T22:34:44.172+13:002012-12-22T22:34:44.172+13:00Mitch, no disconnect. I can understand how he can...Mitch, no disconnect. I can understand how he can rationalize that there is no God. I question it myself from time to time. It is, ultimately, a matter of faith.<br /><br />Your other point I also agree with in a general sense. Questioning is good, and understanding how much of our culture and history shapes out thinking equally important. It gives a lot of our basic arguments and discussions a fundamental bias that is hard to perceive.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-36758564602684565362012-12-22T22:27:03.763+13:002012-12-22T22:27:03.763+13:00Which of these books is mnore likely to scare chil...Which of these books is mnore likely to scare children?<br /><br />The one about <a href="http://www.catholiccompany.com/way-cross-children-p1055084/" rel="nofollow">torture</a>? Or the one that opens children's eyes to the <a href="http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/Illustrated-Magic-Reality-Richard-Dawkins/9781451690217" rel="nofollow">wonders of the natural world</a>?<br /><br />I know which one I am buying for each of my grandchildrena s soon as they are old enough to read and comprehend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-42472200698104370532012-12-22T22:08:28.255+13:002012-12-22T22:08:28.255+13:00Great rant there ZT, sadly short on understanding ...Great rant there ZT, sadly short on understanding however.<br /><br /><i>Would children still be sexually abused? Indeed. It's not religion that is responsible for child abuse, it is perverted people, and religion is no special indicator.</i><br /><br />And perverted people are found everywhere, although there does seem to be a greater proportion of them among those of a religious faith than among those who are rational humanists.<br /><br /><i>When looking at the total picture of child abuse, both physical and mental, the pattern will emerge that some people use scare tactics or physical cruelty to get their way. It doesn't matter that Catholic theology teaches love and forgiveness, and would classify such threats of hell made to children in an improper way a grave sin in itself - what actually matters here is that some people will show a tendency to twist anything they can to get the advantage they want. </i><br /><br />So what is the "proper way" to teach children about hell? The use of scare tactics is common to almost all religions. Do this and you will be punished. Don't do that and you will be punished. The constant emphasis on sin, being "fallen" and on damnation cannot be seen as anything other than threats and scare tactics.<br /><br /><i>Will he be the first to suggest that there ought to be a law against Atheists preaching such hate?</i><br /><br />diddums. Anytime you run into disagreement with you narrow world view you define it as hate. Pointing out that some beliefs are harmful is not hate, it is the right thing to do.<br /><br />Dawkins is not perfect, and I am sure he would agree with that statement, but he has done more to advance human knowledge than your pope and your priests. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com