tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post255636097373813909..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: A conversion story from atheismLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-47144768889709033562013-05-26T10:12:21.595+12:002013-05-26T10:12:21.595+12:00well, ZT, the face of that compelling argument, wh...well, ZT, the face of that compelling argument, what can I say?<br /><br />Pfffft<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-52780018682020426992013-05-26T09:48:25.142+12:002013-05-26T09:48:25.142+12:00Oh ye of little faith.Oh ye of little faith.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-80176630353379397672013-05-26T07:54:12.607+12:002013-05-26T07:54:12.607+12:00For example, if atheism is assumed a default posit...<i>For example, if atheism is assumed a default position to be taught in schools, as distinct from something like agnosticism, it's taking a religious view.</i><br /><br />And you have examples of this happening? No, I didn't think so.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-37656928035992057382013-05-25T22:29:55.923+12:002013-05-25T22:29:55.923+12:00For a full explanation on what the Pope means....
...For a full explanation on what the Pope means....<br /><br />http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2013/05/yes-the-pope-said-all-are-redeemed-is-that-news/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05038553365798232982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-85359689425942776212013-05-25T22:29:06.185+12:002013-05-25T22:29:06.185+12:00leftrightout
"As an aside, it is interesting...leftrightout<br /><br />"As an aside, it is interesting to see the new pope say us atheists can get in to heaven, too. We don't need all the dogma and ritual, we just need to be good. Isn't he a sweet old man?"<br /><br />That is not what Pope Francis said. He said that Jesus has redeemed all humanity. That is NOT news regarding the Redemptive work of Christ. It is for all....BUT the personal response from each of us to Christ's Redemptive work is what leads us to be saved or lost. How that response is known by God is beyond human judgment. But one cannot knowingly set oneself up to oppose Christ's Redemptive work and on death be a friend of God without a change of heart and confession to God. <br /><br />I'm sorry to say that universal salvation through Christ is not likely because not all want to receive it. But its okay to hope that there might be a way. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05038553365798232982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-78825569162368325682013-05-25T22:11:22.961+12:002013-05-25T22:11:22.961+12:00...and many individual atheists add up to a sect.
......and many individual atheists add up to a sect.<br /><br />Although when atheists decide they need to compete with religion by offering a counter view, it start to turn into a religion by this simple act.<br /><br />For example, if atheism is assumed a default position to be taught in schools, as distinct from something like agnosticism, it's taking a religious view.<br /><br /><br /><br />ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-92153742874613353522013-05-25T19:37:02.390+12:002013-05-25T19:37:02.390+12:00...there are some pesky atheists that are treating...<i>...there are some pesky atheists that are treating their non-belief as a religion.</i><br /><br />True. Humans are renowned for foolishness, and atheists are humans. It might be more accurate to say there's nothing inherent in atheism that makes it a religion - the decision to make it one can however be taken by individual atheists.Psycho Milthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00779500926576047736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-42086827386610484262013-05-25T16:55:55.225+12:002013-05-25T16:55:55.225+12:00Hi LRO. You can believe atheism is not a religion...Hi LRO. You can believe atheism is not a religion if you wish, but aside from some technical definitions of the word you need to cling to to hold that view, there are some pesky atheists that are treating their non-belief as a religion.<br /><br />Perhaps a more fruitful way to look at it is like redefining marriage.<br /><br />We know how you wish to define atheism, but others are busy redefining it anyway.<br /><br />Embrace it - don't be atheist-phobic about your own non-belief. Sometimes the meanings of words get "upgraded" because the new secular moralist just needs to fix these orthodox and traditionalist notions of atheism.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-51578083465799148472013-05-25T16:08:44.619+12:002013-05-25T16:08:44.619+12:00Lucia, I was addressing Lindalee's claim that ...Lucia, I was addressing Lindalee's claim that atheism is a religion, not a faith.<br /><br />Regardless, atheism is NOT a faith as defined by 4. It is not a belief in anything, it is not a code of ethics, it is not a standard of merit. it is simply the rejection of claims about gods. It has no scriptures, rituals or dogmas.<br /><br />Try again.<br /><br />As an aside, it is interesting to see the new pope say us atheists can get in to heaven, too. We don't need all the dogma and ritual, we just need to be good. Isn't he a sweet old man?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-25758910843325719482013-05-25T12:30:40.534+12:002013-05-25T12:30:40.534+12:00LRO,
From your list, atheism is a faith as define...LRO,<br /><br />From your list, atheism is a faith as defined by no 4. The "anything" is "that there is no God".Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-28993143081419608572013-05-25T11:00:54.776+12:002013-05-25T11:00:54.776+12:00Not mundane, Milt, but sad..... though , come to t...Not mundane, Milt, but sad..... though , come to think of it, life without faith in God IS mundane, in my books anyway.<br /><br />shalom,<br /><br />Mrs Macbamachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03356545163658225357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-69435067150392165592013-05-25T08:01:29.070+12:002013-05-25T08:01:29.070+12:00I think Islam will attract many. For one thing phi...<i>I think Islam will attract many. For one thing philosophically I think it is a good 'fit' for secularists.</i><br /><br />Islam is about the worst fit out there for atheists contemplating getting all superstitious - its name translates as "Submit," which ought to be enough of a warning to an atheist all by itself. A casual perusal of what you'd be submitting to ought to put off those who get past the name.<br /><br />I also don't think there's anything significant in a person raised by atheists taking up religion later in life (especially in the USA, which barely counts as a secular state). The more atheists there are, the higher the number of kids who don't follow the same path as the parents. What's interesting here is that the author found it an unusual enough thing that it was worth writing about it, whereas children raised as Christians growing up to be atheists (me, for example) is completely mundane.Psycho Milthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00779500926576047736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-41610395560292525202013-05-24T19:29:11.248+12:002013-05-24T19:29:11.248+12:00Lindalee - according to Wikipedia - "Religion...Lindalee - according to Wikipedia - "Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to create meaning to life or traditionally to explain the origin of life or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, they tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle. According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world.[1]<br />Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may also include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration of a deity, gods or goddesses, sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trance, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology.[2]"<br /><br />According to dictionary.com "faith [feyth] Show IPA<br />noun<br />1.<br />confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.<br />2.<br />belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.<br />3.<br />belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.<br />4.<br />belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.<br />5.<br />a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith."<br /><br />How does any of that reconcile with atheism? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-38303191346386604732013-05-24T19:21:43.289+12:002013-05-24T19:21:43.289+12:00Atheism is a religion...the religion of No God.
...Atheism is a religion...the religion of No God. <br /><br />After all it can't be proved only believed. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05038553365798232982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-62487616427727270792013-05-24T13:44:37.878+12:002013-05-24T13:44:37.878+12:00Wow, lucia, yet another error riddled post.
I rem...Wow, lucia, yet another error riddled post.<br /><br /><i>I remember seeing somewhere that in America, of all the religions, atheism has the lowest retention rate.</i><br /><br />Atheism is <b>not</b> a religion. Define religion and then explain how atheism fits that definition.<br /><br /><i><br />Once you realise that there is far more to life than the material, and that there is this whole reality all around that you've never really known was there, </i><br /><br />Confused? Quite a bit, I'd say. First you claim that there is more than the material, then you go on to claim that is reality, in other words, material.<br /><br />It is of no surprise that every now and again someone can study religion and be swayed by its untested and untestable claims, and this often occurs when that person is at a low point in their life, and vulnerable.<br /><br />For every considerate and well-informed xtian, there will be others with no personal experience of humanism and no interest in the arguments who are simply drifting with the cultural tide.<br /><br />As the popularity of belligerent, all-the-answers religion wanes, however, thoughtful humanists able to explain and defend their humanism will become an increasingly vital presence in the public square. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-13474845721250186282013-05-24T12:40:44.747+12:002013-05-24T12:40:44.747+12:00Lovely story. I have a sister who is exploring Cat...Lovely story. I have a sister who is exploring Catholicism by reading and learning.<br /><br />I think Islam will attract many. For one thing philosophically I think it is a good 'fit' for secularists. Rather than power being located in individual choice that sense of power is relocated to Allah's will. It also satisfies the urgent need to build utopia - comes with a clear plan of action. <br /><br />The conversion into Christianity is an encounter with the living Christ....leave your power at the door! Humility doesn't come easily to hedonists. <br /><br />Also it empowers young males in particular.<br /><br />How it all plays out who knows. Christians who don't love their life will be fine. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05038553365798232982noreply@blogger.com