tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post2582987871691762367..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Neutered menLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-72280369821170708142010-06-09T07:17:41.743+12:002010-06-09T07:17:41.743+12:00I'm a real man where it counts: in my vas defe...I'm a real man where it counts: in my vas deferens.Danylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311640522845983736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-88716759497142454872010-06-09T06:39:03.943+12:002010-06-09T06:39:03.943+12:00Point taken.Point taken.Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-79273059875189012312010-06-08T21:00:10.042+12:002010-06-08T21:00:10.042+12:00"Somehow I don't think you'd ever hav..."Somehow I don't think you'd ever have a shot Danyl."<br /><br />You never know. She may have a fetish for cardigan-wearing androgynous types:<br /><br />http://www.victoria.ac.nz/sbs/staff/staff_technical/mclauchlandanyl/mclauchlan_danyl.aspxStatler And Waldorfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346940659691288539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-60751915685990699832010-06-08T20:42:32.741+12:002010-06-08T20:42:32.741+12:00Somehow I don't think you'd ever have a sh...Somehow I don't think you'd ever have a shot Danyl.Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-67097381541543001332010-06-08T18:54:57.761+12:002010-06-08T18:54:57.761+12:00Lucia's definition of a real man = any guy who...Lucia's definition of a real man = any guy who can get her pregnant. <br /><br />Good to know . . .Danylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13311640522845983736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-52101016910226219612010-06-07T17:59:56.339+12:002010-06-07T17:59:56.339+12:00To finish this thread off, I'd just like to hi...To finish this thread off, I'd just like to highlight what Boganette said on vasectomies:<br /><br /><i>... Satan is my hero. I work in a clinic giving dudes vasectomies in his honour.</i><br /><br />I think that comment really points out who benefits when it comes to men being able to have sex without consequence. And it's not the side of good.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-42137542547149839692010-06-07T10:54:11.020+12:002010-06-07T10:54:11.020+12:00Boganette,
This post is about vasectomy, and my c...Boganette,<br /><br />This post is about vasectomy, and my comment that you have taken such exception to, was a response to a long-time commenter. It was a <b>personal</b> comment, and having grown up with a number of close and extended family members with various problems, I'm not as dainty you might like me to be with my words describing their problems.<br /><br />I do take exception to your accusations, however, as you don't know me, or my family or the individuals involved, as such, have no idea what you are talking about.<br /><br />For instance, my brother did not develop schizophrenia until he was an adult, so your accusations that he grew up with me telling him he was not normal are just a result of your fevered imagination and have no basis in reality at all.<br /><br /><b>Any more comments directed at me in such a manner where you just make shit up will be deleted.</b>Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-57718548875625630662010-06-07T10:36:10.755+12:002010-06-07T10:36:10.755+12:00It is very simple Boganette. I think people that ...It is very simple Boganette. I think people that are Schizophrenic or autistic are not normal, that's why they have an illness or a condition, which is there to varying degrees approaching, err, normal. <br /><br />However, I do not use "not normal" as an insult and do not interpret it to mean they are anything less than human, and that this would somehow entitle them to less love or respect.<br /><br />Yet you assume that anyone who uses this term would immediately treat an autistic person (for example) as anything less than human, or for that matter, any different from a normal person.<br /><br />You on the other hand, want to redefine the term normal and treat any-one who doesn't use the term in the way you mean it and understand it to scorn and vitriol.<br /><br />I'm no more labeling some-one mentally ill as you are when you describe them as "mentally ill". Why suggest they are mentally ill? What's the big deal with that given the way you feel about it?<br /><br />Remember the context of this conversation? I don't think so as you haven't referred to it even after I pointed out that it was very relevant.<br /><br />The context is acknowledging that living with special needs children is a real handful. It's not a <b>normal</b> life, and it's silly to pretend it isn't.<br /><br />Consider the way I have used "normal" in the above sentence. There is no need to get upset, as it doesn't imply anything negative about the people concerned, just the reality of the situation. Unless you make it otherwise.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-77370670426169066512010-06-07T10:17:32.595+12:002010-06-07T10:17:32.595+12:00"Or those like KG who have no understanding o..."Or those like KG who have no understanding of the struggles people with mental illnesses go through."<br /><br />I take back my description of you as offensive.<br />You're simply stupid.<br />I have a very real understanding of those struggles, you arrogant clown, having had a mother who was severely mentally ill and one sister who inherited the condition.<br />There's much more to my knowledge of mental illness than that but I see no need to give a vicious little potty-mouth any more information than that.<br />If you can't refer to me with some honesty then kindly leave my name out of your comments--you make me feel unclean when you use it.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-49541032003700798462010-06-07T09:56:39.466+12:002010-06-07T09:56:39.466+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-73314996670022543922010-06-07T09:56:36.645+12:002010-06-07T09:56:36.645+12:00You can't screen embryos for mental illness or...You can't screen embryos for mental illness or Autism you weirdo. And I can't be Catholic - it's not possible.<br /><br />This is all rather simple. I don't think people with a mental illnesses are abnormal. You do. But then you're Catholic. So...there you go. <br /><br />"You don't have a clue what help has been sought and what they each have to cope with. So why be so hostile given you don't actually know the situation?"<br /><br />If you believe that people with mental illnesses aren't "normal" and you believe members of your own family aren't "normal" based only on an illness they have that they can't control (and you put this on a public blog!) then yes, there's going to be issues there.<br /><br />You'd have to be a fool to think otherwise. <br /><br />Either way we're not going to agree. I just hope that any of you with family members who have mental illnesses have access to the support they need. They don't need family members attacking them for illnesses they can't control (again if you're willing to do it on a public blog I imagine the person your insult is aimed at knows they're considered abnormal).<br /><br />And you're proving my point by hinting that I have a mental illness. Calling someone 'mentally ill' isn't an insult. The only people who would consider it an insult are those who think people with mental illnesses are less than human. Or abnormal. Or those like KG who have no understanding of the struggles people with mental illnesses go through. You have to really lack compassion for others to think it's funny to label someone mentally ill. And that's called a full circle.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-50138419033287094472010-06-06T15:06:50.242+12:002010-06-06T15:06:50.242+12:00Lol!Lol!KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-10837189121595606162010-06-06T14:58:07.593+12:002010-06-06T14:58:07.593+12:00well, reading this thread has significantly increa...well, reading this thread has significantly increased my understanding of metal illness.Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-1878423613133679132010-06-06T14:36:54.857+12:002010-06-06T14:36:54.857+12:00Boganette, you are assuming far too much, and your...Boganette, you are assuming far too much, and your vitriol is undeserved.<br /><br />You could try reviewing the context of this conversation before you decide how Lucia acts with her family. <br /><br />Did you even try to understand what exactly the discussion was about before you pronounced judgment? <br /><br />It seems quite possible you have an illness or close family in that situation and you are transferring an assumption of behaviour that isn't there. <br /> <br />This in particular:<br /><br /><em>I have no doubt that Lucia's sibling's illness is probably made worse if she's telling them they're not normal. This is why a lot of people with mental illnesses don't have access to the treatments they need - because they don't have supportive family members.</em><br /><br />You don't have a clue what help has been sought and what they each have to cope with. So why be so hostile given you don't actually know the situation? <br /><br />Mentioning that her brother is severely autistic in this thread does not follow she goes home and screams "you are autistic" at him, for example. <br /><br /><em>Jeez don't you assholes have some biblical quotes about acting Christ-like or some shit? Being a judgemental prick who calls people with illnesses abnormal isn't Christ-like. Especially when it's your own family.</em><br /><br />Quesiton: If some-one is severely austistic, are we obliged to call them "normal" in your world? Is that not avoiding the truth? Do you see where that gets you? Think it through.<br /><br />Abortion on the grounds some-one is severely normal? <br /><br />Abortion on the grounds that a mother might feel normal?<br /><br />Brilliant. I presume you might see the evil in that stance. You might end up a Catholic yet.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-30759978431290630242010-06-06T14:04:07.876+12:002010-06-06T14:04:07.876+12:00Hahaha thanks :)Hahaha thanks :)Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-47365098633311085532010-06-06T14:03:07.249+12:002010-06-06T14:03:07.249+12:00Then your bed is made,
enjoy eternity in it.Then your bed is made,<br />enjoy eternity in it.Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-56031559361466104622010-06-06T13:57:47.243+12:002010-06-06T13:57:47.243+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-45912914972886574372010-06-06T13:57:47.244+12:002010-06-06T13:57:47.244+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-45597223251157484342010-06-06T13:57:43.263+12:002010-06-06T13:57:43.263+12:00Schizophrenia can't be cured KG. I know your u...Schizophrenia can't be cured KG. I know your understanding of mental illness is zero but most people who aren't morons know that mental illnesses are managed not cured.<br /><br />People will illnesses are given assistance when needed through treatment to help them with the difficulties they can often face...oh fuck it. You're too much of a wanker to understand this.<br /><br />And Ciaron - no Satan is my hero. I work in a clinic giving dudes vasectomies in his honour.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-30748036053089151662010-06-06T13:54:59.616+12:002010-06-06T13:54:59.616+12:00That boganette has grounds for regarding a mental ...That boganette has grounds for regarding a mental condition as normal.<br /><br />It's barking.Oswald Bastablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828229103486326473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-45176454260842874942010-06-06T13:48:08.732+12:002010-06-06T13:48:08.732+12:00"So someone with an illness isn't normal?..."So someone with an illness isn't normal?"<br />No, they're not. That is, they don't conform to the norm, which is good health.<br />If a person with mental illness were to be regarded as "normal" then what on earth would be the point of treating them? To make them <i>more</i> normal?KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-58908897459118371672010-06-06T13:22:36.952+12:002010-06-06T13:22:36.952+12:00So someone with an illness isn't normal? Someo...So someone with an illness isn't normal? Someone with poor health is abnormal? Please. I have no doubt that Lucia's sibling's illness is probably made worse if she's telling them they're not normal. This is why a lot of people with mental illnesses don't have access to the treatments they need - because they don't have supportive family members.<br /><br />Jeez don't you assholes have some biblical quotes about acting Christ-like or some shit? Being a judgemental prick who calls people with illnesses abnormal isn't Christ-like. Especially when it's your own family.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-75275055192791364582010-06-06T12:49:48.214+12:002010-06-06T12:49:48.214+12:00Boganette, I'd be fascinated to hear what you ...Boganette, I'd be fascinated to hear what you regard as "normal" then.<br />Of course mental illness isn't "normal"...that's why it's called "mental illness", you fool.<br />Mental health is the norm. Departure from it is therefore regarded as <i>not the norm</i> ie <b>abnormal.</b><br />There, not so difficult, is it?KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-64258938834747494212010-06-04T20:19:51.736+12:002010-06-04T20:19:51.736+12:00So, perhaps it is just as well there is an 'es...So, perhaps it is just as well there is an 'escape clause'<br />re. the genesis of some of these issues of progeny.<br />Clones, perchance.mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18400094599778512902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-51443352429400521142010-06-04T18:52:48.986+12:002010-06-04T18:52:48.986+12:00Oswald, I can sympathise.
I grew up with a severe...Oswald, I can sympathise.<br /><br />I grew up with a severely autistic brother. I remember him being able to talk up until the age of 3, and then his speech vanished. There was a definite regression that I don't believe was purely biological - something caused it. <br /><br />Because I'm concerned that the same possible genetic weakness has been given to me, I've not vaccinated both my boys, as I figure autism is worse than any diseases they may get. So far, they've had nothing worse than chicken pox.<br /><br />If it helps, my brother was the second child (I was the first). The 3rd child is schizophrenic, the 4th was a girl and normal, the 5th is just anti-social and my youngest brother is an angel, and in my opinion, well worth the risk.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.com