tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post3470247713227734640..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: There is no conservative case for same-sex marriageLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-42024608729200270732012-08-31T12:25:57.105+12:002012-08-31T12:25:57.105+12:00Justin is being very honest, note he does not resp...Justin is being very honest, note he does not respond to your argument or say its false instead he pionts out its unpopular. <br /><br />In otherwords the argument is, I have the cool popular views you don't.<br /><br />As to what kind of Christian is Lucia, actually orthodox Catholic which means she holds the official teaching of the largest Christian denomination in the world, and most of the views she expounds are historically accepted by the other main denomination and have been for millennia. If Justin has never ran into this kind of Christian you live in a cultural and historical bubble.dshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03391070527721119070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-3385516769966075192012-08-31T03:46:40.262+12:002012-08-31T03:46:40.262+12:00Well put questions Cairon, Zen Tiger and Lucia. Fo...Well put questions Cairon, Zen Tiger and Lucia. For the record they stand unanswered. The real issue is if course, our human heart and its tendency towards wickedness.<br /><br />Justin, as a Christian I have one question for you: Do you believe one day that Jesus will judge everyone in the Final Judegment and we all will be eternally (i.e. forever, without end) put into one of two groups?Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11861786926205491818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-61260908041304371872012-08-28T14:43:24.814+12:002012-08-28T14:43:24.814+12:00Justin,
A surviving IVF child, whose siblings did...Justin,<br /><br />A surviving IVF child, whose siblings didn't get the opportunity to be born. That's one of the primary reasons it's immoral, because more children are made than can be born. One or two are born, the rest are aborted, frozen or disposed of.<br /><br />I don't condemn you, of course, as you had no choice as to how you were conceived.<br /><br />And I'm the one who has judgmentally cruel and narrow views? Is the only way to be a good person in your world, a person who says nothing and allows everything. Oh, you want to kill yourself, that's nice. Oh you want to create 20 embryos, but only have one baby, congratulations. Granny is getting old and senile, so we need to put her down, where do I send the flowers? <br /><br />Is that the type of Christian you are used to, Justin? Would those sorts of views make you feel more comfortable here?<br /><br />If my views are to be shunned, then what are you still doing here?Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-77351644762290540792012-08-28T12:54:17.139+12:002012-08-28T12:54:17.139+12:00Oh yes - I read the posts alright. I even comment...Oh yes - I read the posts alright. I even commented on the disgraceful "IVF is Immoral" offerings. I read most of the posts on this blog with a mounting sense of dismay, for I cannot believe that fellow Christians (yes, I am one: born, raised and extremely proud of it) can espouse such judgmentally cruel and narrow views. As I think I said on the IVF post, that view (and by extension those which are similarly framed) do not represent the Christian values that I was brought up with; that my family and my friends still live by and - so far as I can tell - most Christian New Zealanders prefer to live by also. The small number of regular commenters here suggest strongly to me that your views are rightfully to be shunned.<br /><br />I fully expect someone else to have the last word, and to sarcastically condemn me as unintelligent or shallow. Cue Andrei, KG et alia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-35715292358340462592012-08-28T12:37:32.076+12:002012-08-28T12:37:32.076+12:00Did you actually read and comprehend the posts, or...Did you actually read and comprehend the posts, or did you just take a knee jerk reaction from the title and run with that? Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-48833156122748296262012-08-28T12:01:12.235+12:002012-08-28T12:01:12.235+12:00Actually, no: part of my "world view" is...Actually, no: part of my "world view" is formed by reading this blog. Delightful topics such as "IVF is Immoral", together with counteless other selective references to biblical text to justify extreme views have taught me that I do not want to be smug, patronising, arrogant, judgmental and largely without a shred of compassion. So thank you LM et alia for showing me how not to be like you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-81333680297762100022012-08-27T21:43:25.003+12:002012-08-27T21:43:25.003+12:00Perhaps Justin shapes his whole worldview and mora...Perhaps Justin shapes his whole worldview and morality based on the number of comments in a leftist blog?<br />In which case he deserves our sympathy. :-)KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-73565048746891627712012-08-27T19:21:49.331+12:002012-08-27T19:21:49.331+12:00@ZenTiger.
I find it no coincidence that bills re...@ZenTiger.<br /><br />I find it no coincidence that bills regarding "gay marriage", killing our elderly and calling it compassion, gay adoption and (I'm guessing) a soon to be announced end to the legal challenge to abortion on demand, are occuring at the same time.<br /><br />The post-Christian reality is here. The retreat into paganism and barbarity the Romans would have blushed about is almost complete.<br /><br />When Christianity was adopted by the Roman Empire many monks took vows of poverty and went into the desert to focus on love and charity, they feared being corrupted by the amalgam of Church and State. It's time for us to focus on these things again, 1 on 1 discipleship, love and charity within the Church in a more universal way then we currently practise.<br /><br />Sure, we'll continue to have public debate about these matters but lets not expect anyone to regain common sense about such issues, we'll have the debate because it's the right thing to do, undergo the persecution and put our trust in God.Jeremy Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05819630707494648769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-16589239869068594982012-08-27T18:44:09.626+12:002012-08-27T18:44:09.626+12:00Justin might be right. These views are not releva...Justin might be right. These views are not relevant to a baying mob. Stand back and let them hang the institution of marriage, and kill it good. <br /><br />The traditional family is the real casualty here though, and children have no right to be raised by both a mother and a father, should they get past the first hurdle of no right to live once conceived.<br /><br />Indeed, it is politically incorrect to suggest that there are even differences between men and women. It's therefore politically incorrect to note these differences are complimentary in nature, and that consequently a union in marriage is something to be promoted as a social good. <br /><br />All this is to be thrown away, and the slow but steady decline in society will continue unabated as we ensure the highest good in society is based on how people feel, not how they should act. <br /><br />And Justin wants to make it clear that 120+ comments on Kiwiblog is the standard for evaluating the validity of a proposition<br /><br /><br />ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-43152674071662033972012-08-27T18:11:24.132+12:002012-08-27T18:11:24.132+12:00Ohhh, 120+ comments at the troll farm... SFW?Ohhh, 120+ comments at the troll farm... SFW?Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-50221172622093172852012-08-27T16:06:42.236+12:002012-08-27T16:06:42.236+12:00This is how relevant you and your views are LM. Yo...This is how relevant you and your views are LM. Your attempt at a definitive response to Farrar's post yesterday (last glance - 120+ comments) draws only two comments. One from your blog's co-host, and one from yourself. A self-aware person just might draw some conclusions from that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-36267444792813578832012-08-27T15:37:31.426+12:002012-08-27T15:37:31.426+12:00Andrei,
The most rational it gets, is, "it&#...Andrei,<br /><br />The most rational it gets, is, "it's not fair" and "discrimination"!<br /><br />This whole thing of trying to bend truth so that conservatives accept a redefinition is absurd, and I'm finding it's starting to annoy me as an argument.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-51347747096888547672012-08-26T21:03:25.091+12:002012-08-26T21:03:25.091+12:00Nobody can give a rational reason why this radical...Nobody can give a rational reason why this radical change to the understanding of marriage is necessary.<br /><br />Sure they can spew forth meaningless slogans about "equality" but when you break them down they mean exactly nothing.<br /><br />Indeed the paws of Satan's deceit are all over thisAndreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.com