tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post5267150145056208542..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Vatican City and Age of ConsentLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-65288934399832499362010-08-19T18:36:19.171+12:002010-08-19T18:36:19.171+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-51638471180916211702009-10-01T21:40:53.368+13:002009-10-01T21:40:53.368+13:00Cara, I absolutely agree.
Firstly, some housekeep...Cara, I absolutely agree.<br /><br />Firstly, some housekeeping: If the minimum age of consent is 14, then the range is 14-17, not 12-15. Italian Law allows for that range to be 13-16. Personally, I haven't decided on what the lowest age should be, and here in NZ the age of consent is 16, (technically, a minimum of 14 when the other person is no older than 16). I was thinking more about NZ than Italy when I express my personal opinion as distinct from discussing Italian Law.<br /><br />Secondly, all I'm suggesting is that whilst this is a serious matter, it should not necessarily be a criminal offense.<br /><br />Thirdly, I absolutely agree that we need to be giving our children better messages. Instead, the current liberal approach seems to encourage it, or accept this as an unpreventable event. I disagree with the liberal approach.<br /><br />Much more can be said on these topics, and will be. After all, that's the point of the blog - bite sized chunks of discussion over time.<br /><br />Thanks for your comments.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-12009117073473885402009-10-01T19:59:33.918+13:002009-10-01T19:59:33.918+13:00ZenTiger
“I am in favour of the law that makes se...ZenTiger<br /><br />“I am in favour of the law that makes sex between people of like age (say within 3 years) not a criminal offence. I am very much in favour of tougher laws around sexual relations between adults (18 and 0ver) with the underaged, and particularly adults in a relationship of dependence, such as teacher-student.”<br /><br />So are you saying 12/13 year olds can have sex with 15/16 year olds?<br /><br />It is a very difficult situation; a lot of young kids don’t hold out for marriage, the concept is too old fashioned.<br />The Police don’t do anything over underage sex; so really (realistically) it is up to the parents to install not only a moral outlook but common sense in their children. Young kids need to value their bodies more but they are too hormonal and flighty and they basically do what they want, not knowing what they want, or what they are doing.<br /><br />You can’t stop kids having relationships, but something needs to be done regarding promiscuity, as with kids, it lowers their sense of self-worth, after a while. This type of thought-process isn’t good at an age when you really need the confidence to go into adulthood.Carahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00868861098359154980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-45522982309027299242009-10-01T19:34:14.735+13:002009-10-01T19:34:14.735+13:00Bez what age would you like us to treat you as? 11...Bez what age would you like us to treat you as? 11,12,5?<br /><br />Because that comment is certainly not that of an adult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-81520169835223556272009-10-01T14:18:37.334+13:002009-10-01T14:18:37.334+13:00A highly inflammatory comment that I shall endeavo...A highly inflammatory comment that I shall endeavour to answer in good grace.<br /><br />I could equally counter that most LGBT groups are arguing to lower the age of consent and make none of these situations criminal. Do you defend them for this?<br /><br />They also are invariably are the ones busily compiling world wide ages of consent.<br /><br />My post deliberately covered secular law. Items a through e are therefore all illegal activities in the Vatican City and in Italy.<br /><br />People that break the law need to be caught and punished, that's pretty simple. People that hide others from the law are guilty of obstruction and effectively parties to the crime.<br /><br />The Catholic Church has paid spiritually, economically (hundreds of millions of dollars) and in terms of loss of reputation for their past handling of corrupt clergy. It has led to massive change in the Church, and perhaps more so than any other institution infested with a small but highly damaging section of pedophiles.<br /><br />Other organisations that typically attract pedophiles, such as the education system, scouts, sports clubs, orphanages and youth councilors have also been "professions of choice" for these sick individuals, and we increasingly hear stories coming out that show other organisations have not also handled such people wisely.<br /><br />Let us hope that all such people are exposed and handed over to secular authorities to prosecute to the full extent of the law.<br /><br />As we see in NZ, that might mean little, but failure to prosecute is clearly the failure of our Government.<br /><br />If the secularists want to lower the thresholds even lower in response to agitation from various liberals and the gay lobby, that mistake will be on all our heads.<br /><br />Note: I am in favour of the law that makes sex between people of like age (say within 3 years) not a criminal offence. I am very much in favour of tougher laws around sexual relations between adults (18 and 0ver) with the underaged, and particularly adults in a relationship of dependence, such as teacher-student.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-87081026574523633532009-10-01T13:21:47.451+13:002009-10-01T13:21:47.451+13:00A very interesting and thorough analysis, thank yo...A very interesting and thorough analysis, thank you.<br />Now the simple additional question most people would assumedly like to be answered is the following: if a priest in the Vatican was found to be buggering choir boys aged 11,12,13,14,15,16 respectively (a-f), in which cases would the Vatican deem this a crime, and in which cases a matter of consent?<br /><br />The Wiki factoid would seem to imply that only a-b would be deemed criminal, while you seem to imply a-f, but without actually saying so.Berryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03208575304505689135noreply@blogger.com