tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post6720535149199780140..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: What the US Military could learn from the Catholic PriesthoodLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-59611828344389320512010-12-31T19:19:10.348+13:002010-12-31T19:19:10.348+13:00As usual, there is an historical precedent and sol...As usual, there is an historical precedent and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes" rel="nofollow">solution</a>Ciaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05007117694321366334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-3694362819664169002010-12-31T12:28:46.039+13:002010-12-31T12:28:46.039+13:00Good question, Scrubone. What will happen, I suspe...Good question, Scrubone. What will happen, I suspect is that any officer or NCO who removes a homosexual for performance-related issues will pay a high price, when the brass caves in to threats of legal action.<br />After that, homosexuals who screw up will be tolerated because the cost of disciplining them will be seen as too high.<br />If one wanted to devise a strategy for damaging morale and cohesion in the military it'd be hard to come up with anything more effective than this.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-77919620080493222692010-12-31T09:12:38.054+13:002010-12-31T09:12:38.054+13:00What is interesting KG, is if a gay person become ...What is interesting KG, is if a gay person become a problem in a unit because of them being gay, will they be removed?<br /><br />I suspect that the answer is "yes" early on, but in a few years that will gradually change radically.scrubonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13832170298477290478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-13045432373787414312010-12-30T03:13:43.857+13:002010-12-30T03:13:43.857+13:00Exactly Zen, it's all about the pc mindset for...Exactly Zen, it's all about the pc mindset for the stupid progressives. The clever progressives want this to undermine the US military. It's the most lethal fighting force on the planet and so is much loathed by them.<br /><br />They only hate the unborn more.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-14633551632727130652010-12-28T12:25:54.245+13:002010-12-28T12:25:54.245+13:00Yes, good point. That's exactly why I put the...Yes, good point. That's exactly why I put the word in quote marks. I suspect the mindset driving the political changes to military selection criteria relies on treating soldiers as automations, where unit cohesion isn't as important as having one women, one gay, one mexican, one fat person and one muslim as evidence of a well rounded, equal opportunity army.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-31135916580095272852010-12-28T10:39:07.825+13:002010-12-28T10:39:07.825+13:00"I suspect in the "right" military ..."I suspect in the "right" military culture, none of this would make a difference, but that would only be because the individual is completely reshaped to be nothing more than a well trained instrument."<br /><br />Hmmm...not quite."nothing more than a well-trained instrument" suggests nothing more than an automaton, directed by those cleverer than the mere grunt.<br />But that's not at all how the modern military (well, the Army at least) works.<br />Western military doctrine has changed form the old idea of large-mass actions into increasingly autonomous small units, highly trained and flexible, able to adapt rapidly to changing conditions. In these units, trust and absolute confidence in one's fellows matters more than ever and anything which erodes those is potentially lethal.<br />In the selection process, all manner of characteristics which may affect unit cohesion are identified and result in the applicant being failed--why is homosexuality supposed to be treated differently?KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-67417798392533553302010-12-27T20:00:23.853+13:002010-12-27T20:00:23.853+13:00Let's not forget the Dutch went down this trac...Let's not forget the Dutch went down this track years ago and have an army consisting of "openly gay men and officers.<br /><br />And let's not forget what happened when this army of pansies were put to the test at <b>Srebrenica</b>.<br /><br />They were unable to stand up to a rabble <b>fled</b> leaving five thousand men and boys who had come to them for protection to be massacred.<br /><br />Anyway it will be about a nano second after this policy takes effect that some old drill sergeants with an exemplary careers of any years will be hauled before the man because some "openly gay" soldier who doesn't pack the gear to handle his training will go weeping to his commanding officer claiming he is being picked on because he's gay.<br /><br />And these guys will be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-79154943346788277452010-12-27T19:48:08.607+13:002010-12-27T19:48:08.607+13:00It's a very generalist statement, which brings...It's a very generalist statement, which brings its own issues.<br /><br />I don't think this should be a problem in the administrative sections, but in active combat, like having females soldiers, it might bring complications, for all sorts of reasons both fair and unfair. <br /><br />How easily those complications are surmountable remains to be seen. I thought the "don't ask, don't tell" policy was an attempt to keep issues on sexuality out of the armed forces without denying the opportunity of any to serve.<br /><br />I'm also not sure it is valid to compare the Church to the Armed Forces, and whilst there may be similarities around the nature of taking on a vocation rather than a mere job, soldiers are required not just to "sacrifice" their lives, but take lives. I think at that point, many things become perverted as a consequence, and whilst the reasons may ultimately be defensible, no-one would deny that soldiers are not left untouched by their combat experience.<br /><br />Equally then, even in making a generalization about the masculinity of sacrifice in a combat situation, that is in no way specific to heterosexual males. Therefore I think that point becomes somewhat a distraction to the bigger, more complex issue of command structures, combat pressures and the importance (for the military) in having a social structure that operates effectively under combat conditions. Thus, the role of women in direct combat must equally up for discussion, and this becomes another area where I wonder how equal we really need to be? I suspect in the "right" military culture, none of this would make a difference, but that would only be because the individual is completely reshaped to be nothing more than a well trained instrument. And yet we expect our soldiers to come back with their humanity perfectly intact.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-3766741220895347802010-12-27T19:07:22.260+13:002010-12-27T19:07:22.260+13:00Any THINKER knows this is a bad, bad, move.
Life ...Any THINKER knows this is a bad, bad, move.<br /><br />Life in the military is strained enough without this extra tension.Oswald Bastablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828229103486326473noreply@blogger.com