tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post742970228032576329..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: A question of moneyLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-3931598745227893672009-06-29T23:14:23.116+12:002009-06-29T23:14:23.116+12:00Such contempt for the will of the people. Are thes...Such contempt for the will of the people. Are these vermin aware of how totalitarian they sound?MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-64021545431119099062009-06-28T23:30:09.973+12:002009-06-28T23:30:09.973+12:00Here's one of those cases that Murray doesn...Here's one of those cases that Murray doesn't believe exists: <a href="http://nzconservative.blogspot.com/2007/10/it-has-started.html" rel="nofollow">It's started</a>ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-22732630890119643112009-06-28T22:53:16.209+12:002009-06-28T22:53:16.209+12:00Link fixed (although they never seem to survive mo...Link fixed (although they never seem to survive more than 3 months anyway.)<br /><br />Came across another rant from Barnados calling on Family First to publish names and addresses of the people affected by the law change to date. <br /><br />Because the rest of New Zealand is safe after 1 July 2009???<br /><br />They say they have to "come clean"<br /><br />I would call on Barnados to publish ALL of the details of each and every court case that tried to use the "reasonable force" defence over the last 25 years.<br /><br />Not the carefully presented soundbites, but the actual cases and details. Because apparently, the previous law was not working and needed a complete change - it needed to make all forms of discipline technically illegal.<br /><br />If those cases were actually brought into the public light we'd find out many interesting things.<br /><br />For example:<br /><br />* There were not many cases using this defence. (Just over 20)<br /><br />* Most times the defence failed. The judge found the force used unreasonable, and passed verdict accordingly.<br /><br />* The deliberations of the judge in other cases often reflected complex situations that made the decision more than one single issue.<br /><br />* If we accept the argument that judges are idiots and get things wrong (not my statement - the implication from Bradford that a judge doesn't understand reasonable force) then clarifying this would have been much better. However, Bradford's aim was to make all physical discipline illegal, which explains why a rational amendment was never allowed).<br /><br />Anyway, let's see the full details of these court cases that prompted the action to make potentially thousands of parents criminals to catch perhaps a dozen questionable cases over the last 25 years.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-58026071782880431072009-06-28T22:08:26.359+12:002009-06-28T22:08:26.359+12:00Breathtaking! Barnados should sack Murray Eldridge...Breathtaking! Barnados should sack Murray Eldridge as a service to free speech!<br /><br />So now we have Sue Bradford trying to screen CIR questions she doesn't like, Barnados trying to stop referenda they don't like, and politicians like Key saying they will ignore the public anyway. <br /><br />Can anyone spell totalitarian? (if so, please check my spelling)<br /><br />PS. Zen, both your links go to the Scoop media release by Family First.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com