tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post8676895669641546013..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: What the media tells you about Pope Francis, so make sure you get better news sourcesLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-61698438396188573162014-01-01T17:57:50.562+13:002014-01-01T17:57:50.562+13:00Man, LRO. Cutting and pasting an Islamic page to ...Man, LRO. Cutting and pasting an Islamic page to justify your hatred of Christianity, without even crediting it as a source. How low can you go?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/islam_is_ultimate_source.htm" rel="nofollow">Islam: The Ultimate<br />Source of Knowledge</a>Lucia Mariahttp://nzconservative.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-89052346745707836022014-01-01T13:14:46.157+13:002014-01-01T13:14:46.157+13:00Unfortunately, the usual selectivity that requires...Unfortunately, the usual selectivity that requires you ignore the good and exaggerate the bad. The flow of technology you speak off was driven by the flow of conquest and forced slavery of Christians by Muslims. In many cases, it went in the other direction - they appropriated knowledge and claimed it as their own. <br /><br />The Arabs are credited with windmills (mostly improved in Spain which - a country conquered by Muslims on and off over 800 years. Windmills may have been around in Northern Europe at the same time also though. The Irish invented Tidal Mills. Other inventions of that time, a credit to our civilisation you denigrate: The compass, the European architecture, the hourglass and later the mechanical clock, the blast furnace. The printing press. Eyeglasses. The plough. The horseshoe and improved horse harnesses. The humble pitchfork. Crop rotation made big advances in France, Britain and Western Europe.<br /><br />There are many instances of pro-Islamic books claiming any advances made by Christian civilization is totally to the credit of Islam. The only problem with this theory is the evidence of that modern, advanced Islamic civilization still exists today, and it actually looks pretty backward, and has pretty much stagnated since they were pushed back out of Europe.<br /><br />Yes, Islam had its successes, but so did other cultures. It's not just the "Arabic" numbering system, but the "Arabic-Hindu" numbering system. India, China and the Mongols contributed a lot of knowledge, and some of that was fed via Western paths as much as from Islamic sources. This was the advantage Islam had at the time - being smack in the middle of the trade routes between India and China and the West, it became a melting pot of ideas and technologies - borrowing heavily from both directions and ultimately advancing themselves. You speak only of "Islam to Europe" as the flow, and it was not that at all. You have to draw the line beyond the selective prism you show.<br /><br />My point here is that there was a lot more going on of credit to Christendom and other cultures (India, China) and bolstering Islam is one thing, but your efforts to recast our own history to suit the narrative of the atheist is exactly why "we must never forget". Communist societies (the other notable type of atheist) were far more deliberate in rewriting history than the destruction of books that accompanied war of those times - destruction carried out by all parties in those wars. I too have a bunch of quotes from reputable sources of Islamics burning books by the thousands. Some of them are burning their own books by the thousands. I also have some articles that suggest the burning of books at the library of Alexandra did happen repeatedly - sometimes by Muslims. There is also some dispute that the fire you speak of was deliberately lit - it may have been accidental.ZenTigernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-33039950140434539172014-01-01T11:02:36.763+13:002014-01-01T11:02:36.763+13:00Your above paragraph deliberately "forgets&qu...<i>Your above paragraph deliberately "forgets" the role of Christianity in the building of our civilisation. The preservation of some of the greek and roman knoweldge you mention are credit to the Church.</i><br /><br />As xtianity spread, millions of books were destroyed.<br /><br />The Gnostic Basilides were burned, by order of the church.<br /><br />Pope Gregory VII burned the Apollo library.<br /><br />The crusaders burned every book they came across, including a great many hebrew scrolls.<br /><br />In their zeal to conquer and xtianise the "New World", the Spanish destroyed the history, culture and temples of those they came to "save".<br /><br />The utter destruction of the 500,000 to 750,000 books and scrolls of the incredible library at Alexandria by a Christian mob stands as perhaps the greatest single testimony to the overwhelming hatred of learning and education held by the rank-and-file majority who flocked to the new religion.<br /><br />“The Christian World came to wage crusades against Muslims but eventually knelt before them to gain knowledge. They were spellbound to see that Muslims were owners of a culture that was far superior to their own. The Dark Ages of Europe were illuminated by nothing but the beacon of Muslim Civilization.” Author : F.J.C Hearushaw Book Reference : The Science of History<br /><br />“The Renaissance of Europe did not take place in the 15th century. Rather it began when Europe learned from the culture of the Arabs. The cradle of European awakening is not Italy. It is the Muslim Spain.” Author : Robert Briffault Book Reference : The Making Of Mankind<br /><br />Medieval Islam was technologically advanced and open to innovation. It achieved far higher literacy rates than in contemporary Europe; it assimilated the legacy of classical Greek civilization to such a degree that many classical books are now known to us only through Arabic copies. It invented windmills, trigonometry, lateen sails and made major advances in metallurgy, mechanical and chemical engineering and irrigation methods. In the middle-ages the flow of technology was overwhelmingly from Islam to Europe rather from Europe to Islam. Only after the 1500's did the net direction of flow begin to reverse. Author: Jared Diamond Book Reference: UCLA sociologist, and physiologist who won the Pulitzer Prize for his book: "Guns, Germs, and Steel."<br /><br />During all the first part of the Middle Ages, no other people made as important a contribution to human progress as did the Arabs, if we take this term to mean all those whose mother-tongue was Arabic, and not merely those living in the Arabian peninsula. For centuries, Arabic was the language of learning, culture and intellectual progress for the whole of the civilized world with the exception of the Far East. From the IXth to the XIIth century there were more philosophical, medical, historical, religious, astronomical and geographical works written in Arabic than in any other human tongue. Author: Phillip Hitti Book Reference : in 'Short History of the ArabsLeftrightoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-91077444072841390832013-12-31T22:19:18.826+13:002013-12-31T22:19:18.826+13:00Your above paragraph deliberately "forgets&qu...Your above paragraph deliberately "forgets" the role of Christianity in the building of our civilisation. The preservation of some of the greek and roman knoweldge you mention are credit to the Church. Hospitals and Universities have some thanks to make. In medieval times, when women were consigned to lowly status, they were given powerful roles in the Church. The strengthening of marriage and the family helped protect women and children thanks to Church teachings. The fight against abortion and infanticide - mostly committed against females another credit to our Christian heritage. Church attitudes were ultimately reflected in the secular laws of the times. <br /><br />This heritage is being deliberately forgotten and deliberately rejected. So what you will be left with is the form of democracy and the form of the rule of law, and the form of the family - with the substance slowly eroded into something that becomes empty of the core Christian values that shaped western civilisation and culture.ZenTigernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-87092934796565547912013-12-31T21:34:50.663+13:002013-12-31T21:34:50.663+13:00So, you condone law breaking?
I don't see mu...So, you condone law breaking?<br /><br /><br />I don't see much of our heritage being destroyed by rational humanists. We still have a form of democracy, passed down to us by the Greeks. We still have a form of the rule of law, passed down to us by the Romans. The SCOTUS is upholding (mostly) the US constitution, created by some of the best minds of the Enlightenment. Those who follow a religion here are still free to practice their religion without let of hindrance from the government. Women have been freed from the drudgery of housework and child bearing as their sole function, to become full participants in the community.<br /><br /><br />So just what heritage is being destroyed?Leftrightoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-16516405103707221002013-12-31T10:59:00.567+13:002013-12-31T10:59:00.567+13:00Yep, I can always rely on you for a totally differ...Yep, I can always rely on you for a totally different world view. One that is destroying the heritage of countries that are founded upon the Western tradition.Lucia Mariahttp://nzconservative.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-46837262660752866112013-12-30T21:33:39.585+13:002013-12-30T21:33:39.585+13:00Yes, Lucia, you DO need to get some beter and more...Yes, Lucia, you DO need to get some beter and more objective sources for your news.<br /><br />http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/va-hospital-bans-religious-christmas-carols/<br /><br />It is my understanding of the US situation that this is correct. As a government facility it cannot endorse any one religion. And not everyone in a hospital is a christian or open to listing to the caterwauling of children at the best of times. The children are, however, free to sing carols as often as they like on church or private property.<br /><br />http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/us-army-equal-opportunity-officer-you-cant-say-christmas/<br /><br />Hard to be sure about this case, but any article that concludes with <i>Ah, the fruits of the administration of The First Gay President!</i> is probably suspect. But again, the US constitution forbids the military from favouring one religion over another, but it does not prevent individuals from practising their religion, saying "Merry Xmas" or anything similar.<br /><br />http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/12/freedom_of_religion_means_for_all_religions.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Once again, this violates the US Constitution. Religious conservatives in the US love to bang on about how they respect the constitution, just not when it gets in their way of trying to make us all bow to their gods. All the ACLU is doing is getting the government of Oklahoma to abide by the law; why are you so keen on supporting law breakers? And as I have posted on your blog before, there many times the ACLU has taken up the case of xtians whose rights were being denied.<br /><br /><br />Now, the Oklahoma legislature can keep the 10 commandments, as long as they declare the area a limited public forum. But I bet they won't do that, because THAT means equality for all, not xtian privilege.<br /><br /><br />As to the baker, he knowingly broke the law and has paid the price. Religion is a private matter, not a get out of jail free card.<br /><br /><br />Catholic adoption agencies do not own children, they act on behalf of the state and therefore must follow the laws decreed by the state. What is wrong with that?<br /><br /><br />The world is a wonderful place and is becoming more marvellous each day as old superstitions and prejudices are buried and a new, freer and more humane society is built.<br /><br /><br />Anyhoo, the last time I looked, you lived and voted in Aotearoa. Seems you xtians still get a pretty easy ride here.Leftrightoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-34410930755105432742013-12-30T19:17:55.354+13:002013-12-30T19:17:55.354+13:00Jesus predicted that just before His return as Jud...Jesus predicted that just before His return as Judge, there will be a<br /> strange, dangerous fad - a spontaneous global steamroller notable for <br />its speed, violence, and impudent in-your-face openness. In Luke 17 He <br />called this worldwide craze the <br />repeat of the "days of Lot" (see Genesis 19). By fulfilling this <br />worldwide mania that's secretly coordinated by unseen spirit beings, <br />gays are really hurrying up Christ's return and making the Bible even <br />more believable! <br /> <br /> They've actually invented strange architecture: closets opening not on <br />to bedrooms but on to Main Streets where kids can see naked men having <br />sex in "Madam" Nancy Pelosi's San Francisco Brothel District. We wonder <br />how soon S.F.'s underground saint - San Andreas - will get a 10-point <br />jolt out of what goes on over his head (see the dire prediction about <br />cities in Revelation 16:19, and Google "Obama Supports Public <br />Depravity").<br /> What's really scary is the "reprobate mind" phrase <br />in Romans 1:28. A person can sear his conscience so much that God <br />finally turns him over to S, the universal evil leader whose unseen <br />agents can give a "possessed" person super-human strength that many cops<br /> with tasers have trouble subduing!<br /> Remember, gays don't have to<br /> stay bound to their slavery. Their emancipation is found in a 5-letter <br />name starting with J (no, not James or Julia). As soon as they can find <br />out the all-powerful J name, gays will really start living! (Google<br /> "God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up," "USA - from Puritans to Impure-itans," and "The Background Obama Can't <br />Cover Up.")<br /> Was Jesus silent about gays? Google " 'Jesus Never Mentioned Homosexuality.' When gays have birthdays...."Irv Spielbergnoreply@blogger.com