tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post9138896704697103671..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Liberal FanaticismLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-73108847538741665102011-12-30T17:51:28.389+13:002011-12-30T17:51:28.389+13:00"..unless different labels can be applied to ..."..unless different labels can be applied to get liberalism off the hook."<br />Which they are, very frequently.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-11018269932732599812011-12-30T16:53:52.418+13:002011-12-30T16:53:52.418+13:00Liberalism doesnt teach that violence is acceptabl...<em>Liberalism doesnt teach that violence is acceptable.</em><br /><br />Neither does Christianity. <br /><br />Which is the crux of the issue. The extremists have to ignore the totality of the teachings in order to justify their own desired actions. Yes, their interpretations of their religious texts supposedly justify their actions, but other orthodox people will be horrified at those actions too.<br /><br />Such justifications appear in different ways for all those prepared to do what they want and ignoring the intrinsic human rights of others. But perhaps liberals will only kill a few to save many: <br /><br /><em>"Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.”<br /><br /> — The Village Voice’s Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places</em><br /><br /><br />As I said above, if the Turangi child-rapist is not driven by ideology, then that's still not a great advertisement for not having one.<br /><br /><em>a liberal who takes a harm principle based view of individual rights would absolutely condemn this violence.</em><br /><br />Yes, and so would a Christian. Yet, on the Kiwiblog thread ultra-Christians are no doubt considered capable of condoning violence, but not "ultra-liberals"? I think you might be surprised over time on that score - unless different labels can be applied to get liberalism off the hook. <br /><br /><a href="http://rightwingnews.com/john-hawkins/violent-liberal-hate-rhetoric-fifteen-quotes/" rel="nofollow">Liberal Rhetoric</a>ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-29781753192440286532011-12-30T15:22:08.576+13:002011-12-30T15:22:08.576+13:00Perhaps the difference is the sort of behaviour th...Perhaps the difference is the sort of behaviour that the ideology itself endorses. Even if you accept that random sexual violence is a biproduct of a more liberal society (I wouldnt, but thats a different point), a liberal who takes a harm principle based view of individual rights would absolutely condem this violence. Liberalism doesnt teach that violence is acceptable.<br /><br />By contrast, DPF was poining out that many people with extreme religious beliefs DO condone violence, because the main driver of their beliefs is obedience to God. Its perfectly ok for me as an ultra orthadox Jew to abuse the girl wearing the skirt because my interpretation of scripture implies that thats what god would want. An 'ultra liberal' by contrast would not abuse or do anything else to the girl.Nick Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00971871198326200887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-66808834984584878642011-12-30T14:16:24.230+13:002011-12-30T14:16:24.230+13:00What's not an aberration but is a litmus test ...What's not an aberration but is a litmus test is the rate of child abuse in this country - this was to all intents and purposes unknown 50 years ago but it is almost a weekly occurrence now.<br /><br />And we now the picture - woman with multiple children, multiple fathers involved and a boyfriend who is often not a father of the victim.Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.com