tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post980889650612852242..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Sine dominico non possumusLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-54514217998484886882007-11-14T15:20:00.000+13:002007-11-14T15:20:00.000+13:00Servant,I'll get the ball rolling then. Here's a ...Servant,<BR/><BR/>I'll get the ball rolling then. Here's a <A HREF="http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html" REL="nofollow">link to numerous statements from the early Church Fathers</A> which show quite clearly that they believed in the Real Presence.<BR/><BR/>I always wonder what people, such as yourself, think when they read such statements. Though, it would be quite possible not to have come across them before.Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-40336249113159173872007-11-13T14:20:00.000+13:002007-11-13T14:20:00.000+13:00Good question Lucyna. :)No, it's not simply my ide...Good question Lucyna. :)<BR/><BR/>No, it's not simply my identity as a Protestant. That would be a wrong reason.<BR/><BR/>I have many thoughts around the topic, the theology, the biblical aspects etc... maybe I should just write a post about it so we can discuss it. :)<BR/><BR/>That's a discussion that would have to come with some very clear guidelines for others, on commenting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-23792823476149714142007-11-13T14:19:00.000+13:002007-11-13T14:19:00.000+13:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-6118995437506254742007-11-13T13:39:00.000+13:002007-11-13T13:39:00.000+13:00Frank, thank you for your comment.Can I ask, what ...Frank, thank you for your comment.<BR/><BR/>Can I ask, what is preventing from believing in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? Is it your identity as a Protestant, or is there something else?Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-33278665686326455832007-11-13T13:38:00.000+13:002007-11-13T13:38:00.000+13:00Thanks Andrei, for the hymn!Thanks Andrei, for the hymn!Lucia Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-85332298378400672892007-11-12T12:33:00.000+13:002007-11-12T12:33:00.000+13:00Inspiring!Our gathering around the sacrifice of Ch...Inspiring!<BR/><BR/>Our gathering around the sacrifice of Christ and our recognition of his lordship is certainly central to the life of the Christian.<BR/><BR/>Naturally, being a Protestant, I do not hold to the doctrine of transubstantiation, but being a Wesleyan, I also do not hold to the idea that the Eucharist is simply a symbol, there is an eternal mystery inherent within it and that mystery is life giving.<BR/><BR/>The picture presented in this writing should appeal to both the masculine and feminine. It points to the mercy, grace and forgiveness of Christ (something emphasised strongly across the Christian spectrum), but it also challenges us to stand strong in that faith and to participate and allow ones life to be transformed by Christ. That challenge is somewhat muted in many churches, yet it is this challenge that appeals to the masculine heart... a heart that needs to be challenged and given a cause to lay its life down for.<BR/><BR/>This is where the strength of the Catholic and Orthodox church lie, their unchanging nature. Many churches have changed to make the "product" more "marketable" and thus the message has been somewhat dulled, whereas these two bastions of the Christian faith have their line in the sand and call humanity to stand with them and die with them if necessary. This isn't totally gone in other churches, but it is often somewhat more obvious in the more traditional streams of the entire Christian body.<BR/><BR/>This isn't me jumping ship from my own part of the family, but it's recognising strengths inherent in part of the family that my own part may be lacking.... but being a Wesleyan, I'm just doing what Wesley did, drawing from all streams. Wesley was condemned by many for his softness towards the Orthodox faith especially.... a softness I share.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-86731197649377085142007-11-11T20:11:00.000+13:002007-11-11T20:11:00.000+13:00let_our_mouths_be_filled_with_thy_praiseLet our mo...<A HREF="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/files/let_our_mouths_be_filled_with_thy_praise.mp3" REL="nofollow"> let_our_mouths_be_filled_with_thy_praise</A><BR/><BR/><I>Let our mouths be filled with thy praise oh Lord<BR/><BR/>That we may sing of thy glory <BR/><BR/>For you Oh God have deigned to make us worthy to partake of your Holy, divine and life giving mysteries<BR/><BR/>Strengthen us oh God in your holiness that all day long we may live according to your righteousness <BR/><BR/>Alleluia, Alleluia, <BR/><BR/>Alleluia, Alleluia, <BR/><BR/>Alleluia, Alleluia, <BR/><BR/>Alleluia, Alleluia</I>Andreihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04536593172412406428noreply@blogger.com