tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post4675840873078457432..comments2023-10-08T12:11:52.993+13:00Comments on New Zealand Conservative: Unions ElectioneeringLucia Mariahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10485990994973953860noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-3845440323177979602007-11-30T19:06:00.000+13:002007-11-30T19:06:00.000+13:00Robinsod, I have no need to say that. This is wha...Robinsod, I have no need to say that. This is what the left bleat on about every day. They go quiet about the Union involvement though.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-26607695142769400822007-11-30T16:23:00.000+13:002007-11-30T16:23:00.000+13:00Zen - business gets a lot more money from Govt tha...Zen - business gets a <B>lot</B> more money from Govt than unions do and many of those businesses donate to National and Labour.<BR/><BR/>Business does get money from the Govt -FACT. The more money they get, the more money that gives them resource to "do things for their shareholders". They also contribute to political parties. Are you saying the govt is using business to channel funds into national's coffers? Stop the press!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-84351264428979006102007-11-30T10:31:00.000+13:002007-11-30T10:31:00.000+13:00Very funny Tane. Direct links are for the politic...Very funny Tane. Direct links are for the politically naive. It's indirect links where all the action happens.<BR/><BR/>Next you'll be denying that Unions spend NO money or resources on supporting the NZ Labour party.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-26378137202714148852007-11-30T07:59:00.000+13:002007-11-30T07:59:00.000+13:00Zen, you've failed to provide any direct link betw...Zen, you've failed to provide any direct link between government money going to unions (or business nz or any other organisation) and money spent on electioneering.<BR/><BR/>The fact is this doesn't happen. You fell for an old chestnut put about by Murray McCully and didn't do your own research.<BR/><BR/>Come up with some solid evidence, then get back to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-67358384630650176112007-11-24T15:13:00.000+13:002007-11-24T15:13:00.000+13:00Tane, I read in the paper the other day a union th...Tane, I read in the paper the other day a union that received $60,000 from MSD and $20,000 from Lotteries.<BR/><BR/>Unions do get money from the Govt -FACT. The more money they get, the more money that gives them resource to "do things for their members" and raise their profile.<BR/><BR/>They in turn donate money to the NZ Labour Party, and/or donate time, effort and money to advising their members to keep NZ Labour in power.<BR/><BR/>I don't have a problem with this per se, but think that any 'widespread' reform of Election Finance should be more wide spread than has been. <BR/><BR/>Let's stop this from being smears, and in the interests of transparency, open up these accounts for deeper scrutiny.<BR/><BR/>Fine, throw in Business NZ and EMA to this discussion. This is not about me defending National, its about this so called 'level playing field' that Labour wants is in the voters best interests, not in Labours.ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-26843128748565462902007-11-24T00:23:00.000+13:002007-11-24T00:23:00.000+13:00Unions receive money directly (and indirectly) fro...<I>Unions receive money directly (and indirectly) from the government. They also donate money to the Labour party. Effectively, the Government pays for their electioneering using our tax dollars.</I><BR/><BR/>This smear has been going around the blogosphere for a while now and it's interesting to see that no matter how many times I've asked for some evidence I'm yet to see a single shred.<BR/><BR/>Can you demonstrate what govt money goes to union campaign contributions? The only money unions get from the govt is from the contestable funds, which are for specific projects that fulfil dept of labour objectives, and of which Business NZ and the local EMAs are usually the largest recipients. The money could certainly not be used for electioneering as it's audited, and if you're going to cast doubt on unions you shouldn't you also ask if the govt is funding Business NZ and the EMA to make anonymous donations to National?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-89908733407588724782007-11-23T13:17:00.000+13:002007-11-23T13:17:00.000+13:00I blew the whistle during the run-up to the last e...I blew the whistle during the run-up to the last elections on a clinic receptionist at Whakatane hospital handing out union "how to vote" pamphlets.<BR/>They were made to remove them from the office counter--watch for much more of the same next time.KGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940428991630766942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-82080438152213504592007-11-22T13:30:00.000+13:002007-11-22T13:30:00.000+13:00Thanks Zen, i guess leftists wouldn't have any pro...Thanks Zen, i guess leftists wouldn't have any problem with seeing who you vote for, as long as they can catch you on the way out and set a few examples when you don't toe the line.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-40958629646360346062007-11-21T23:51:00.000+13:002007-11-21T23:51:00.000+13:00This was one of the contentious issues proposed in...This was one of the contentious issues proposed in the EFB.<BR/><BR/>Labour would like to require a name and address for every political thought published.<BR/><BR/>They've already proven cronyism by denying a job in the Public Sector to the partner of a National Party MP, and handed it over to a Labour candidate.<BR/><BR/>Tax audit anyone?<BR/><BR/>Blacklisted companies in tenders anyone?<BR/><BR/>There is no reason to think it could not get this bad. Actually, it seems that it is.<BR/><BR/>Next, the concept of anonymous votes at the booth will be deemed "sinister" and "not creating transparency".ZenTigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07888629207437612884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38893560.post-17558929475153926982007-11-21T22:59:00.000+13:002007-11-21T22:59:00.000+13:00That last bit about the declaration, is that for r...That last bit about the declaration, is that for real? I saw something about this in one of KG's posts, damn Komissar Klark is a real control freak. Good heavens Kiwis, you folks gotta kick those leftists out before they drown you folks.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.com