Friday, December 27, 2013

Lucia Animal attack on teenage German Tourists in NZ


NZ is raising more and more of these types of human beings that don't act human, that act like animals with no regard for the safety of the victims, no sense of proportion, no understanding that overwhelming force just to steal is completely unnecessary.

My guess is the teenagers involved in the attack on German tourists on Boxing Day have not been raised in proper family structures and act more like animals in a pack, or even zombies, than rational human beings because they just don't know any other way. It's horrifying.

Four teenagers will appear in court today charged in relation to the alleged aggravated robbery yesterday of two German tourists camping in Whakatane.

The German couple's camping trip turned into a nightmare when they were forced to flee their attackers following the early-morning Boxing Day attack in the Bay of Plenty town.

Three of those charged in relation to the the attack are males aged, 14, 17 and 18. The fourth person is a female aged 15. The 17-year-old is from the Whakatane area and the other three are from Opotiki.

Police said they were still looking for a fifth youth who was believed to have been involved in the incident.

A witness who saw the young couple's injuries described the 18-year-old German woman's blonde hair as being stained red with blood, with a "massive" gash in her forehead.

The 19-year-old German man's teeth had been smashed in and his face was blackened and nearly "unrecognisable".

Police yesterday said they had recovered weapons believed to have been used by the attackers but would not confirm whether wooden bats were used.

In another news item that I've read from the Dominion Post it says the young man has lost hist teeth and that bats were used.  My goodness, an attack on sleeping campers with bats just to steal stuff.  Incredible.  They could have just threatened them.

Quite honestly, even if you don't believe in God, surely those that champion the loss of Christianity in NZ should be able to see that fear of God and eternal burning in Hell could have prevented this sort of attack. Yet without that fear that our actions here on earth have eternal ramifications, anything goes. Why not act like an animal if it gets you what you want and stuff the consequences, because they are temporary anyway?

As an aside, isn't it interesting that the German tourists are being referred to as adults and the attackers as teenagers and youths, yet the tourists are also teenagers, being aged 18 and 19.

Related links: Teens charged over attack on German campers ~ Stuff

11 comment(s):

ZenTiger said...

Unfortunately, the fear of God hasn't stopped people before from great evil. I think that people are acting without fear or consideration of consequences, and a Christian nation is ever mindful of consequences of actions. In today's society, with God forgotten, it is also evident that consequences are things only experienced by victims. I doubt these thugs will get any serious penalty thrown at them.

Lucia Maria said...

Unfortunately, the fear of God hasn't stopped people before from great evil.

How do you know?

ZenTiger said...

Well, if we look at the fact that there have been Catholic Priests who have committed evil acts, then either we have the theory that those that did such things simply did not believe in God, or they did those things with no real fear of God. I extrapolate that thought out to the wider population. I'm not really sure either way.

Don Beckett said...

Doesn't have to be great evil - consider Marcel Marciel , the founder of that priestly order( you know the one). Why did he act as he did, other than his own self indulgence overrode the fear of God.
Good to be able to comment here at long last - Merry christmas.

Lucia Maria said...

Fear of the Lord is a gift of the Holy Spirit. The other gifts are: wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge and piety. I would argue that people who commit great evil are not on good terms with the Holy Spirit, including some Catholic priests, and therefore are unlikely to have Fear of the Lord as a gift.

Also, Fear of the Lord and belief in God are two separate things even though there is a relationship between them, ie you need to believe in God in order to have Fear of the Lord.

My post also refers to fear of eternal burning in Hell, so I would direct you to this post from last year that links to a study that shows that religious societies believe in Hell tend to have less crime.

There seem to be a number of Catholic priests around that don't believe that Hell exists or don't think that anyone goes there, so that goes to show that priests themselves are not always paragons of knowledge about God and divine things, because even they, being human, can be lead astray.

ZenTiger said...

Don't disagree with anything you said here. Like the choice of graphics too.

Lucia Maria said...

Hi Don,

I'm glad to have you commenting here as well! I knew the benefits of the switchover would outweigh the pain.

Anyway, with regards to Marcel Marciel, he would have been a state of mortal sin and thus not have any of the gifts of the Holy Spirit including Fear of God. Without being able to verify anything, I remember reading he refused final confession before dying as well.

peter.ann said...

Lucia Maria,
You said ...:-
"There seem to be a number of Catholic priests around that don't believe that Hell exists or don't think that anyone goes there"
I agree, I have met some such priests. deacons too, I feel that they have been influenced by things that they have been told in certain seminaries ... not everywhere for sure, thank God ... some of those lecturing there, and in other theological institutes. should never have been sharing such ides and interpretations.

Lucia Maria said...

mmm, yes. I left a comment on the 15th Station a couple of years back after Bishop Pat Dunn kept saying there was probably no one in Hell. Got no reply. I suppose I didn't really expect one, because what could the 15th Station people say? And Bishop Dunn either wasn't aware, or didn't want to give the comment life by replying. Or he didn't know.

Lucia Maria said...

Ah, but you did at first. Note that I used the word "could" rather than "would" when I said: "Quite honestly, even if you don't believe in God, surely those that
champion the loss of Christianity in NZ should be able to see that fear
of God and eternal burning in Hell could have prevented this sort of
attack."


When it comes down to it, we can't know if a person before they did something of great evil, actually had "Fear of the Lord" present or not. That's why I asked you, how did you know? My default position is that fear of consequences does tend to stop most instances of stupidity (or evil) whatever they are, but not all. That if there are no personal consequences, then less instances of stupidity (or evil) are likely to be stopped. Just because some stupidity (or evil) still occurs, does not mean that there is no restraining factor at play, which you seemed to dispute. Though, by reading your comment again, I think you must have just missed the "could" that was part of my original sentence.

pmilt said...

Quite honestly, even if you don't believe in God, surely those that
champion the loss of Christianity in NZ should be able to see that fear
of God and eternal burning in Hell could have prevented this sort of
attack.


Belief in God and Hell was widespread throughout the western world over the last couple of millennia, as was brutal violence. So we have pretty good historical evidence that fear of punishment in an afterlife doesn't prevent this sort of attack. In fact it seems that if a savage armed attack on people who've done you no harm isn't ruled out by your conscience simply on its own lack of merit, or by the distinct likelihood of direct material consequences involving the NZ justice system, the possibility of supernatural consequences isn't likely to tip the balance.

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