Saturday, June 25, 2011

Andrei Celebrating ugliness

The face of modern feminity taken during a "slut walk march" in Scotland. Attractive aint she?

Today New Zealand's gender warriors are about to inflict this travesty upon us. Now if I or rather if a male public figure of some stature were to use the word "slut", an ugly word, the howls of outrage from these self same gender warriors would reverberate for days - you know it's so.

This is left wing in your faceism, both banal and hideously ugly, conceived to promote division and upset within the community.

Do you really think that this sort of event really "raises awareness" of anything beyond the vapidity of modern life?

I don't.

15 comment(s):

PM of NZ said...

I could well imagine the reaction after taking that home to introduce it to future in-laws.

Faye said...

I wouldn't worry about it Andrei, she probably doesn't give a shit what you think of her looks because she wouldn't sleep with you anyway...

Muerk said...

Actually I think she is very attractive. She's also someone's daughter, possibly sister, maybe girlfriend or wife, maybe mother. As well as that, and most importantly, she is a beloved child of God.

We can disagree about the slutwalk without being nasty and derogatory.

Andrei said...

Actually I think she is very attractive. She's also someone's daughter, possibly sister, maybe girlfriend or wife, maybe mother. As well as that, and most importantly, she is a beloved child of God.

Indeed - I try and teach my kids not to use words like "slut" and to be polite and respectful - a task made more difficult with this sort of person undermining that.

We can disagree about the slutwalk without being nasty and derogatory .

But the "slutwalk" by its very nature is divisive, nasty and derogatory .

Psycho Milt said...

It's nasty and derogatory about people who believe women bring rape upon themselves through clothing choices, yes. But those people have worked pretty hard to earn that opprobrium, so far be it from us to stand between them and the appropriate reward for their efforts.

Andrei said...

I suppose PM that's a bit like saying that someone who leaves the keys in the ignition of their car when they go to the movies on Saturday night doesn't contribute to their car being stolen.

I don't know my friend the world is what it is and chanting slogans in scanty apparel is not going to change that.

Psycho Milt said...

I don't see that wearing particular clothes is comparable to leaving your property unsecured, unless you're going for that whole Sheikh Hilaly "uncovered meat" thing.

Andrei said...

What planet are liberals from?

A nun in traditional Dominican habit sends out an entirely different message to the world than a hooker standing under a street light in hotpants, fishnets and tank top!

If I were to go drinking in some gang headquarters with a wallet containing 2000 dollars and found myself relieved of wallet and cash you undoubtedly would say that was a very unwise thing to do Andrei.

It don't make it right that I was rolled for my wallet, it doesn't justify it in anyway way shape or form but it still would not be a smart thing to do, that is go drinking in gang headquarters with a lot of cash - actually probably not that smart to go there in the first place but you get my gist.

Likewise for a young woman it just not that smart to go drinking in gang headquarters. If she were to do this and be gang raped it wouldn't justify her being gang raped, wouldn't make it right but it would not be that smart an idea from her point of view to go there in the first place.

So if I say to my daughters, say, its not that smart to dress like a trollop and go drinking with strange men and accompany them up to their hotel bedrooms, I am not being hideously old fashioned, I am merely imparting common sense.

This is not rocket science

Psycho Milt said...

You seem to be rolling a bunch of separate things into one here. Slutwalk was prompted by a cop telling women if they don't want to be raped they shouldn't dress like sluts - that's the issue at hand.

If you're looking for analogies, try this one. At a gathering of nice, middle class people concerned about the crime rate, a senior police officer tells them if they don't want to be robbed they shouldn't wear expensive watches, drive expensive cars or live in expensive houses. I'm fairly confident that those present wouldn't see this as sensible advice from a realist but abject defeatism from a loser who should be dismissed and replaced with someone more capable.

Andrei said...

You seem to be rolling a bunch of separate things into one here. Slutwalk was prompted by a cop telling women if they don't want to be raped they shouldn't dress like sluts - that's the issue at hand.

We don't actually know what he said because we weren't there. We have at best a fragment of a sentence that has been extracted by those of perpetual outrage to try and make their point. And that fragment, if correct, reflects an unwise choice of words.

It doesn't alter the basic facts of risk management and taking personal responsibility for your own safety.

You can say with almost certainty, for example, that you can wear a Gucci watch in the dining room of the New Orleans Hilton without there being much chance that you will be robbed of it.

However if you are rolling around drunk at 2am in the French Quarter of New Orleans wearing the self same watch there is a high probability that you will be relieved of it.

You can shout all you like, hold marches all over the world chanting as many slogans as you will it wont alter that fact one iota

Psycho Milt said...

And if your daughter was out in Teheran in an outfit you consider modest, the locals would consider her to be dressed like a slut and inviting rape. We're not talking about unalterable laws of physics here, we're talking about social context - and social context is malleable, through for example protest marches like this one.

Andrei said...

Boy are you off target PM.

Neglecting the fact that Tehran's dress standards are enforced by a morals police - as much an anathema to you as to me I'll posit. Regardless of how much "social context is malleable" certain contexts will remain - thus Bank managers will dress to represent an image of sobriety and common sense regardless of the new forms that may take, prostitutes will dress to identify themselves as such, rather than looking like bank managers and so forth. This is a social necessity if you think about it.

And young women will to different degrees dress themselves to enhance or minimize their sexuality whatever forms that may take and whatever context they are dressing for.

But nobody wants to tell people how to dress or force them to dress a certain way - we'll leave that to the mad mullahs of Tehran.

Rather there needs to be an understanding of the consequences of your dress and behavior choices, which in this context can put you at greater risk of being a victim of a crime.

Psycho Milt said...

Of course social context remains in existence, well as long as society does, anyway. But it can be and is changed over time. Regardless of the existence of moral police or otherwise, the citizens of Teheran have a definition of "dress like a slut" very different from ours. Likewise, the New Zealanders of 100 years ago had a definition of "dress like a slut" very different from ours. There's nothing about current opinion on what constitutes "dress like a slut" that is fixed and inviolate, and it is open to being influenced just like other aspects of public opinion. The Slutwalk organisers are aware of this and hope to exert such influence. As you point out, it's not rocket science.

Andrei said...

Slut walks PM are just a silly fad as meaningful as the hula hoop fad or chatter-rings - remember those?

Listen: Some six months ago a police officer gave a seminar to students at a university that you have probably heard of in a far off land.

He gave the attendees advice on how to reduce their chances of becoming the victim of crime,

Now when given such advice in such a forum most people are snoozing anyway but normal people either say to themselves "that sounds sensible I'll take that on board".

Or

"that sounds sensible I'll but it will cramp my style so I'll take my chances".

Or "What a load of horse radish, I'll take no notice"

Fruitloops on the other hand when given advice they don't like, hear something they don't want to be told go into outrage mode - which is what happened here.

So some of the nuttier people at that seminar and their friends took to the streets is silly costume chanting inane slogans
"Whatta we want?"
NO RAPE
"when do we want it?"
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

This is something we all want PM like lots of things e.g.
"Whatta we want?"
NO CANCER
"when do we want it?"
NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

So a fad was born - this time next year it'll be dead and things wont have really changed

Murray said...

@Andrei ... "a silly fad as meaningful as ... chatter-rings"! Huh? Chatter rings are cool. ;)

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