The former Australian Treasurer, Peter Costello was outraged by some remarks on the fires:
"To link the death and suffering of bushfire victims to other political events is appalling, heartless and wrong" said Mr Costello, who has lost a Christian friend in the fires. "Those who have suffered deserve ever support and sympathy. It is beyond the bounds of decency to try to make moral or political points out of such a tragedy.
He was speaking of Pastor Nalliah who confessed to having a dream that the changes to the abortion laws in Victoria last year have rejected God and instead invited the devil in to work his evil.
There are others that are also ready to explain the causes of the bush fires:
If seeing is believing, then it's time to accept climate change, writes Freya Mathews.
So that's man made global warming (AGW) we need to accept, I presume, and her sermon follows suggesting that mankind controls the climate.
I'm not so sure about either of those points. I'm happy to work towards sustainability and minimizing pollution just for because it makes good sense; but I suspect pragmatism may not be radical enough for AGW believers. Maybe you know what I mean by that.
I'm also of a mind that the fires are caused by something far more direct than changes to the abortion laws.
Perhaps insufficient back-burning; perhaps the nature of the Australian Bush and the hot dry weather; perhaps even arsonists.
I really don't know, but I think I side with Costello on this one - our focus should be on containing the fire, protecting lives and homes and mourning our dead.
Whatever the cause that drives ones conscience to speak out is best met at this time with prudence, temperance and patience. Virtues held in poor regard these days.
There is a time and a place for speaking out. It's not now.
--ZenTiger
And here's more of the Global Warming Sermon. Note how scientists play the role of the high priest:
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"To link the death and suffering of bushfire victims to other political events is appalling, heartless and wrong" said Mr Costello, who has lost a Christian friend in the fires. "Those who have suffered deserve ever support and sympathy. It is beyond the bounds of decency to try to make moral or political points out of such a tragedy.
He was speaking of Pastor Nalliah who confessed to having a dream that the changes to the abortion laws in Victoria last year have rejected God and instead invited the devil in to work his evil.
There are others that are also ready to explain the causes of the bush fires:
If seeing is believing, then it's time to accept climate change, writes Freya Mathews.
So that's man made global warming (AGW) we need to accept, I presume, and her sermon follows suggesting that mankind controls the climate.
I'm not so sure about either of those points. I'm happy to work towards sustainability and minimizing pollution just for because it makes good sense; but I suspect pragmatism may not be radical enough for AGW believers. Maybe you know what I mean by that.
I'm also of a mind that the fires are caused by something far more direct than changes to the abortion laws.
Perhaps insufficient back-burning; perhaps the nature of the Australian Bush and the hot dry weather; perhaps even arsonists.
I really don't know, but I think I side with Costello on this one - our focus should be on containing the fire, protecting lives and homes and mourning our dead.
Whatever the cause that drives ones conscience to speak out is best met at this time with prudence, temperance and patience. Virtues held in poor regard these days.
There is a time and a place for speaking out. It's not now.
--ZenTiger
And here's more of the Global Warming Sermon. Note how scientists play the role of the high priest:
The Prime Minister weeps on television at the tragedy of Saturday's events. He looks around uncomprehendingly, unable to find meaning. But there is meaning. This is climate change. This is what the scientists told us would happen. All the climatic events of the past 10 years have led inexorably to this. And this is just the beginning of something that will truly, if unaddressed, overwhelm us.
As the events of Saturday showed, the consequences of climate change will make the financial crisis look like a garden party.
Yet there is a synchronicity here that must not be missed. The extraordinary economic measures for which the financial crisis is calling provide a perfect opportunity to fund the energy revolution for which the crisis of climate change is calling. If the Government does not seize it, then the terrifying world into which we were plunged on Saturday will become the world we will have to inhabit.
Related Link: Bushfires linked to abortion
Related Link: Bushfires linked to man-made global warming
Fine post--I'm putting up a link to it over at CR.
ReplyDeleteSigh. I clung to a vain hope it might be satire, until I got to the links.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I doubt any environmentalists will either notice or accept the fairly obvious parallel between these two responses to the fires. Even more unfortunately, Nalliah is likely to represent a minority among Christians, but I doubt Mathews represents a minority among environmentalists.
No Minister sinks the GW phools with this one:
ReplyDeletehttp://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/02/just-as-i-suspected.html
Clowns. The 1865 fires, Black Friday fires of 1939 and Ash Wednesday all had temperatures above 43 degrees with one reading in 1865 being 47 degrees.
ReplyDeleteThose previous fires burnt more ground and Ash wednesday burnt 3 times as many houses as this current fire (although it's not over yet).
And if we are to accept that there's been an increase in temperature from 1982 of 43 degrees to 48 degrees last Saturday due to Global Warming.. then we accept the rest of the pitch that over 100 years 1982-2081) the highest temp in Victoria will increase to 68 degrees and the average summer temp to become a balmy 50 degrees.
What's neat about this theory and ignorance of history is that we won't investigate the role of the environmentals in stopping controlled burning, limiting scrub clearance to only a laughable 30 metres round houses, growing bloody great trees in the habitable environment and so on.
JC
Pastor Danny Nalliah, from the ironically named ‘Catch The Fire Ministries’(part of the nut-case Assemblies of God group, that spawned the fraudster Pastor Michael Guglielmucci) in Melbourne, is one such low-life who hopes to ‘cash-in’ from the tragedy.
ReplyDeleteThe reward Pastor Nalliah is chasing , rather than being one of monetary gain, is of the heavenly kind.
What sort of insensitive, excuse for a human, would blame the bushfires disaster, on laws decriminalising abortion in Victoria, coupled with his/your vengeful Gods wrath?
Catch The Fire Ministries has called upon all Australian Bible-believing God-fearing Christians to repent, and called upon the Lord Jesus Christ for His mercy and protection over Australia once again [taken from press release they had the audacity to release]. In other words: our God will give you Aussies a similar dose of death & destruction, unless you follow what he has to say & what we tell you.
Comforting-words no doubt, to victims who have lost a loved-one or your entire worldly possessions.
Who needs me to give religion & your God a bad name?
See ya.
Paul.
I'm always amazed at how some people can just read half a post, and not notice what they have done.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, you need to read the release more carefully Paul. He's not blaming this on God, but on the devil.
He believes when people turn away from God, and reject his protection, it allows the devil in to do the dirty work.
In this case, that would be through the Greenies worshiping on the altar of AGW.
What sort of insensitive, excuse for a human, would blame...
We went through all this before, when atheists were quick to use the deaths of the Christian Teenagers caught in the flash floods last year as something to do with God being evil.
When you care passionately about something, you see connections everywhere.
As my post said, we all need to learn some patience, prudence and temperance.
Even you.
Zen, it’s wrong of you for you to suggest I blogged on the Elim rafting tragedy (a quick check of my blog will prove as much), and to suggest the Devil/God has anything to do with natural disasters is the stuff of cavemen.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies for the inference Paul. I meant to put a link into our other friendly atheist, Peter Creswell. Here it is now, which clarifies matters: faith and suffering
ReplyDeleteAs for the rest, we still don't know that it was a natural disaster. It seems some of this wasn't.
As for the realm of the supernatural, who really knows for sure?