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Unbelievable - if an ordinary citizen presented such things to small children it would be a common, and probably correct assumption he was up to know good
So why is it ok for the school authorities to do this? It is close to perverse
I'd call showing a five year old this sexual abuse and pedophilia.
From here: Is this what you want YOUR five-year-old learning about sex? Explicit materials cleared for schools
That's just too much information about a child's parent's sex life. Most kids do not want that image in their heads. I don't even want that image in my head about my parents, and I'm a grown up!
ReplyDeleteOoops ... "child's parents' sex life".
ReplyDeleteTwo men formed a partnership. They built a small shed beside a busy road. They obtained a truck and drove it to a farmer's field, where they purchased a truckload of melons for a dollar a melon. They drove the loaded truck to their shed by the road, where they sold their melons for a dollar a melon. They drove back to the farmer's field and bought another truckload of melons for a dollar a melon. Transporting them to the roadside, they again sold them for a dollar a melon. As they drove back toward the farmer's field to get another load, one partner said to the other, "We're not making much money on this business, are we?" "No, we're not," his partner replied. "Do you think we need a bigger truck?"
ReplyDeleteI was sort of reminded of this story, in that the solution always seems to be to go further down the path that created the problem in the first place...
The only good thing is parents in the UK can insist their children do not have such lessons, the bad thing is that more than a few probably don't know that, or don't show any interest in it.
ReplyDeleteAnother fine argument for getting the state out of education, so schools are set up with free reigh as to the syllabus, and parents can choose schools based on what they will be taught. I suspect more than 9 out of 10 parents would reject a school offering this to five year olds!
Thank you for bringing this to my attention; I would not have otherwise known.
ReplyDeleteI also found http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/09/sex-education-criticised-christians?CMP=twt_gu, which does a better job of
a) pointing out the opposition is from http://www.christian.org.uk/, a bunch of sexually repressed and probably deviant adults who seem to get their knickers in a knot when it comes to telling kids the truth, preferring lies.
and
b)Until I read http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/09/sex-education-criticised-christians?CMP=twt_gu I had never thought abiout having sex on a skateboard. :-) Might try it tonight.
Only a warped mind could think that "If an ordinary citizien presented this tochildren he'd be up to no good".
ReplyDeleteDid it not occur to you that same ordinary citizen could be a mother or a father (or, shock horror, both parents) who see no need to be prudish, who think that children learn best when given facts?
No, it wouldn't occur to you as your religion is all about sexual repression.
I am of the view that if my daughters ask questions, I am going to give them straight and unevasive answers. But I doubt many five year olds ask the questions that this graphic provides answers to.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't want a teacher giving this to my children. I see it as my job to educate them about sex, not theirs.
Did it not occur to you that same ordinary citizen could be a mother or a father
ReplyDeleteYou just love to take things totally out of context, don't ya?
I agree with your comment Ciaron.
ReplyDeleteLRO, you are a good example of a liberal socialist. You have a belief the State should take the place of the parents, and that the freedom of parents to raise children how they see fit, including the pace of sexual education is something to be ignored and indeed, trampled over.
The belief that the State is a better option than parents is, in my opinion, one of the reasons this society is crumbling around us.
This whole issue of a "child's right to know" plays well into the statist's hands. The more "rights" that get listed, the more people such as LRO support the State growing its power to arbitrate over those "rights".
The bigger picture to this incident is that we are heading for disaster.
No, it wouldn't occur to you as your religion is all about sexual repression.
ReplyDeleteEpic fail.
Oh come on ZT, we all know you cvan mount a better argument than that.
ReplyDeleteI have never argued the state should replace parents,that's just your strawman. You seem to forget that I have often referred to mychildren and the big part I played in raising them into healthy, well adjusted, happy, productive members of society. Both are now parents themselves, and, following their parent's example, doing a fine job.
Ciaron, the fail is yours, catholicism IS about the repression of normal human desires, including the desire to fuck.
The argument I mount is entirely appropriate to what you said.
ReplyDeleteThe post was about what the schools were doing. You rush to the defence of that. You then confuse the issue (change the point of debate) by suggesting parents might be conducting sex education, and then on top of that, because we point out the State should have no role in this, especially at that age, you take that as proof Christianity is "all about sexual repression."
I make a perfectly good counter to your nonsense. The problem is, you started with such nonsense.
Focus on the post. Should the State supersede the parents rights to determine the pace and timing of sex education, by starting at age 5?
Stop making up strawman arguments yourself by twisting the topic.
Can you answer that question LRO?
Of course Catholicism (and every other religious and social system) is about repressing sexual desires. Can you imagine what our society would be like if everyone acted on every sexual desire they ever had?
ReplyDeleteWe repress desires and instead we try to make rational decisions about our behaviour so that rather than just jumping the hot neighbour, married people stay faithful, or so that when we are angry we don't punch our boss, etc. This way we make choices that mean we can live in groups in a functional and healthy way.
Ciaron, the fail is yours, Catholicism IS about the repression of normal human desires, including the desire to fuck.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, you are making a straw man. It is only the caricature of Christianity that exists in your mind that is as you say (coloured by your own experiences?) . I could sit here and try to explain to you the true focus of Christianity, Of Christs work on the cross, of the loving God who paid for our sin so that we can have a relationship with him but I just know that you will go off on some hysterical rant and try to twist anything and everything out of context. I feel sorry for you and will add you to my prayers.
May the Holy Spirit soften your heart and open your eyes my brother.
The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was, as we see in the above passages from St. Paul, based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable. A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by sane people as a morbid aberration. The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.
ReplyDeleteBertrand Russell
I am mounting an argument appropriate to your inane comments.
ReplyDeleteI have never argued the state should replace parents
Except on this thread.
You seem to forget that I have often referred to my children and the big part I played in raising them into healthy, well adjusted, happy, productive members of society. Both are now parents themselves, and, following their parent's example, doing a fine job.
All talk and no backbone. Do you even see the stupidity of saying you raised your children, and in the same breath start an argument with those who don't want the state to interfere in their domain, suggesting that they are being ridiculous for complaining?
The post was about the State taking over the role of parents by deciding it knows better than parents on how and when to present sex education. And it provides us with a very graphic example.
How do you respond to people pointing out this is NOT the job of the State? By arguing that any rejection of the State taking over such duties is somehow all about sexual repression! What idiocy.
Can you mount a better argument than that LRO, because that is jusr rubbish.
And then arguing you are an involved parent bringing your children up blah blah blah, is meaningless whilst you are happy for the rights of other parents to be trampled over.
Ciaron, the fail is yours, catholicism IS about the repression of normal human desires, including the desire to fuck.
If you are an advertisement for a new wave of secular humanist morality, I can't see the attraction to be so crass, myopic, bigoted and blinkered and obviously, ill-informed. If you want to couch it like that, then you are implying that you lack self-control, and see no reason to have any sense of self mastery. Again, such a poor quality argument, you force every-one down to your level to explain what shouldn't need explaining.
As for Bertie, he was as anti-Catholic as they come. His argument is easily countered, because it's formed by his prejudices and not a look at the full picture. If you were able to read Theology of the Body, you'd see how stupid Bertie is being in this regard.
Enlightened thinkers weren't really enlightened, they were just counter-cultural.
PS: When you said: I have never argued the state should replace parents,
ReplyDeleteYou weren't actually answering my question.