The Health Department has congratulated parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children.
"Finally, parents understand that inflicting physical pain on defenseless children cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. They serve as a shining example to the brutes stabbing their children with sharp implements.
If we can now convince them to keep kids away from contact sports, we might have a society worth living in. Those brutal games inflict more damage on a child than a small smack. Besides, if the French are going to win all the time, it's hardly worth it, is it?"
"Finally, parents understand that inflicting physical pain on defenseless children cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. They serve as a shining example to the brutes stabbing their children with sharp implements.
If we can now convince them to keep kids away from contact sports, we might have a society worth living in. Those brutal games inflict more damage on a child than a small smack. Besides, if the French are going to win all the time, it's hardly worth it, is it?"
PS: An off the cuff response to a comment on a prior thread about the smacking debate and the physical discipline: "After all who would willingly inflict pain on their kids?"
ReplyDeleteAlthough it's also fair comment to say that "pain" is relative. A smack is not indicated to inflict pain per se, but to provide a little "shock" to the child who is making no attempt to respond to positive parenting techniques.
I accidently got soap in my son's eyes tonight during bath time!!!
ReplyDeleteAm I criminally liable for inflicting that pain?? Dont call CYF!!!
" A smack is not indicated to inflict pain per se, but to provide a little "shock" to the child who is making no attempt to respond to positive parenting techniques."
ReplyDeleteA little shock Eh?
very weak argument that one,
smacking causes pain no ifs no maybes, that is why you do it
Inflict pain child responds
I'm sorry its just poor parenting
Thats why I advocate parents going on positive parenting courses
Just imagine that after attending a good positive parenting course, you then had the resources to eliminate smacking from your discipline procedures. Wouldn't you do it?
I see a smack as performing a function similar to that of a “circuit breaker”
ReplyDeleteRarely is it used, but without it you can end up with all kinds of problems
It saves a lot of grieve long term
In stalled/Administered correctly it actually protects a circuit ( Child) from damage caused by an overload or short circuit( Deviant behaviour)
Operating without it might work just fine. Just like operating a power tool with out a circuit breaker works fine ,… most of the time.
But when there is a malfunction who’d want to be without it.
The effects of the permissive parenting/masquerading as “postive” parenting techniques are now filtering through the system.
Those not using “circuit breakers” fuel these Stats:
Schools call cops 40 times a week NZ Herald 2/3/09
$4.5 Mill fund to manage unruly kids Dom Post 21/02 /07
The Dom post of 22 July 2008 reported “Violent, disruptive or misbehaving pupils were suspended, stood down or kicked out of school more than 27,000 times last year, with 14-year-olds the worst culprits……”
The anti smackers might get more traction if the placed as much emphasis on holding children to account for deviant behaviour as they do, on so called child rights
VOTE NO
Whitaker ? It would seem from your comments that you have never been on a positive parenting course.
ReplyDeleteIndulge me Lets just suppose that attending one would give you the skills to bring your children up to be responsible members of society, and you would not need to hit them.
Would you attend ?
If not why not ?
Valid point Zen, why is some pain/shock/discomfort less equal than actual pain.
ReplyDeleteTom said...
ReplyDeleteWhitaker ? It would seem from your comments that you have never been on a positive parenting course.
“Indulge me Lets just suppose that attending one would give you the skills to bring your children up to be responsible members of society, and you would not need to hit them.
Would you attend?
If not why not?
Greetings Tom,
Whitaker is my sir name. My friends call me BJ.
More than happy to indulge you.
I consider it an irresistible challenge.
Let me respond:
“It would seem from your comments that you have never been on a positive parenting course”
Well I suspect your definition of a “positive parenting course” (PPC) and mine, might be a little different.
Been on plenty run by Parents INC and have helped organise others
“Indulge me Lets just suppose that attending one would give you the skills to bring your children up to be responsible members of society, and you would not need to hit them.
Would you attend?
If not why not?
When you say “Hit” Tom, What do you mean? Is it Hit as in smack on the bottom or is it “hit” as in beat and thrash?
It was Bradford who continuously used the phrase "Beaters & Thrashers" when describing who her law was designed for. This is very important as it was supposedly designed for those that “Beat and Thrash” their children, however it is implemented against good mums and dads who do not abuse their children.
Remember Tom this debate is riddled by those who either deliberately or accidently promote DECEIT THRU WORDS
Words are the smallest single meaningful unit of writing. We use different words to convey different meanings
Tom, on the subject of deceit, why do you think anti smackers continually blur the distinction between smack and hit/ beat?
Again
“Indulge me Lets just suppose that attending one would give you the skills to bring your children up to be responsible members of society “,
Your question pre supposes, in part that they are not already “responsible members of society “, and that perhaps I am lacking in some skills.
Or am I being over sensitive?
Your question also presupposes that in order for them to be responsible members of society, I would need to attend a PPC which presumably excludes smacking as an option
It might be helpful if you new a little about me.
I have 7 Children, ranging in age from 5 to 23. The youngest 2 we adopted
Some have been smacked some haven’t. (The temperament of those that weren’t smacked didn’t require it.)
But as Lucia, in a previous posting so appropriately noted this debate is
“……… about interference in the family, where, if left alone, many people who smack their children end up raising very good kids who grow up into amazing adults. But not every child needs to be physically disciplined, some respond very quickly to a stern word or threat of a favourite toy being put in a cupboard. ..”
As a parent, some days are diamonds and some days are just plain stone. There are times when children meet you in the hallway ‘looking for war” As parents we try not to disappoint them.. Parents need to be in control because they have the responsibility to train their precious children to be mature adults with good sound character.
There comes a point when all the positive parenting in the world just doesn't work for some kids, some times. And the best people to make that call are Dad/Me (And Mum) who are on call 24/7 ,And who are at the coal face of parenting, and who are as much a child focused organisation, if not more so, than any of the so called experts out there
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Again;
Tom to answer your question “Would you attend ?If not why not”
Yes I’d attend, subject to suitable time and place. But be advised, if history is any thing to go by, I’ll no more than the “Expert” running the class and might get “ kicked “out.
Now I’d like you to Indulge me, but we’ll leave that for another day.