Thursday, July 16, 2009

Andrei Screw the Environment, Have a Steak

So saith Peta campaigner Ashley Fruno who has got herself worked up into a lather over Sam Neil.

"And just what has Sam Neil done to attract Ms Fruno's ire?" , I hear you ask.


Well, he has appeared alongside a chimpanzee in an advertisement for red meat - that's what!

My guess is that Sam Neil likes to eat although I have no idea on how often red meat appears on his personal menu. But to eat Sam Neil has to work and performing in front of a camera is what Sam Neil does. That is how he puts tofu on the table to feed his loved ones.

Something often seen as criminal in the eyes of over privileged Liberal activists.

6 comment(s):

Anonymous said...

PETAthetic as per usual.
I tire of their monotonous dribble.

I.M Fletcher said...

No one seems to have been troubled by our rowing twins and cyclist champs advertising meat on TV here.

Max Power said...

"Something often seen as criminal in the eyes of over privileged Liberal activists."

This is something that really annoys me. What is so liberal about Vegetarianism?

I am a very right wing Christian vegetarian. I'm not a greenie or a hippy. I hate the stereotype.

I simply believe that animals deserve the same freedoms we enjoy, ie: freedom from pain, suffering and slavery etc.

After all, our souls are all the same. It's just our bodies that are different.

Francisco Castelo Branco said...

Glad to know that the activists of animals is not only a exclusive in Portugal

Really strange and curious history , this one

ZenTiger said...

Hi Max.

I think the point is that PETA activists often do fit the stereotype. Making wild claims that are not substantiated does not help.

As far as animal cruelty goes - I'm with you on most of that. I am against mistreatment of animals, such as battery hens and the massive amount of senseless experimentation and animal testing that goes on. I've done my share of campaigning against such causes in my younger days. Not as a rabid PETA archetype though.

It is essential we are humane, and the price not to be is far too high.

I'm still an omnivore though, and I greatly appreciate the meat I eat in recognition where it came from.

Your point about souls is interesting. Whilst animals have souls, the question is, do they have immortal souls, as man?

Aquinas has argued that animals have different types of souls from man, who has a rational soul. Furthermore, he argues the intellect and the will are faculties of the soul, and animals do not have free will. I wonder about that, it would make a good post.

Max Power said...

I disagree. I don’t think a lot of PETA activists fit that description at all. Greenies and hippies are often only concerned about their socialist view points, and use their environmentalism as a cover for that. Animal rights activists, however, usually have the best interests of animals at heart, and not some other sort of agenda. They have the best of intentions as they’re trying to help others.

I also don’t believe their claims in that article were wild or substantiated. Sure, in that article they weren’t able to provide any evidence of their claims as I’m sure there wasn’t room in the article, but there is plenty of evidence out there. For example, PETA was correct in saying that the statement in the ad, “red meat is brain food”, was complete rubbish.

I agree that a lot of PETA’s campaigning is rather extreme, but they’ve come to the realisation that for change to happen, it is necessary. And it is proven to work. I don’t particularly like the idea, for example, of using naked women to campaign as a way of sending a message, but PETA knows sex sells, and they are doing it with the best of intentions. It’s an effective way of getting peoples attention and sending a message, and if that saves the lives of innocent animals, then it’s worth it.

I believe animals have free will. My cat definitely does as he pleases, haha, as do all other animals I’ve known. I guess it can be argued whether they know the difference between right and wrong. I believe they can. I know of cats who I can tell feel bad after accidentally scratching me, for example. The real question though is can they love? And I most definitely know they can.

Anyway, the Bible says that humans and animals souls are the same:

Eg: Ecclesiastes 3:19-21
Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [Or spirit]; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.

Also, the Hebrew term repeatedly used to describe both animals and humans in the Old Testament is nephesh chayah. Chayah means “living,” while nephesh is the Hebrew term for the force that animates the body, “the soul”.

A funny thing happened when this term was translated into English. In most English versions of the Bible, different words are used to translate nephesh chayah depending on whether animals or people are being discussed. In Genesis 1:21 and 24, for example, Nephesh chayah is translated as “living creature.” But in Genesis 2:7, where the term refers to people, not animals, it’s translated as “living soul.” The use of two different terms in the English translation completely blurs the fact that in the original Hebrew, no such distinction exists.

Anyway, good on you for the campaigning you’ve done against animal cruelty, and for also thinking about where your food actually comes from. For too many people meat is just another food product off the supermarket shelf. They don’t think about where it came from, or about the sacrifice the animal had to make so they could eat it. Although I can’t talk, I used to do the same!

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