Thursday, November 26, 2009

Lucia NIWA ClimateGate link hits MSM in NZ [Update 3]

NewsTalk ZB is going to talk about the NIWA fudging of climate data in order to show warming in NZ. On before 5pm on Larry Williams' show. (listen live here - you might need to swap to Wellington using the drop down box.) (UPDATE 4:46pm: Hmmm, maybe not before 5pm. Will update with a more accurate time once they say. UPDATE 2 5:29pm - It's coming shortly, turn your radios on.)

Kudoes to Rodney Hide who brought it up in the House today. We have a politician with spine.

And, apparently Nick Smith told Larry Williams privately yesterday that the ClimateGate emails were all a conspiracy theory. LOL! What an idiot.

Meanwhile, here's more from Fox while you wait (Hattip: a commenter at Uh, oh – raw data in New Zealand tells a different story than the “official” one. ~ Watt's Up With That?)...

[UPDATE 3] 7:06pm
The Briefing Room has a very detailed post on this NIWA scandal, and Ian has recently updated his blog with the press release issued by NIWA, which was mentioned on the NewsTalk ZB interview, and what looks like a phone conversation with NIWA chief scientist David Wratt. Basically, they are not interested in releasing their data that proves that adjusting temperatures upwards when a station is moved is warranted, "just because someone issues a press release."

Mmmmm, I think it's a bit more complicated that that David, given the context of the wider scandal all the way up to the IPCC. I wonder how long that line will hold? Here's a bit of it:

"There’s been a whole lot of work behind this in terms of things like having overlaps between particular stations when they’ve moved. There’s a whole methodology, internationally accepted, where you actually work out how to correct for these sorts of site changes and so on.”

“But you’ll be providing all that shortly?”

“Well, we’re not going to run around in circles just because somebody has put out a press release. We will continue to put out what is reasonable to provide.”

“Wouldn’t it be important –“


“…for people to see the comparison studies between both sites?”

“Look, we’re talking about scientific studies here. I’ve told you we’ll put out information about Wellington. Basically it’s not up to us to justify ourselves to a whole lot of people that come out with truly unfounded allegations. We work through the scientific process, we publish stuff through the literature, that’s the way that we deal with this stuff and I can’t have my staff running around in circles over something which is not a justified allegation. The fact that the Climate Science Coalition are making allegations about my staff who have the utmost integrity really really pisses me off.

“That’s all I’ve got to say to you now – [click]”

10 comment(s):

Lucia Maria said...

Aaaaa... so many ads! My ears, my ears ...

KG said...

LOL! The defender of AGW came across as a hysterical zealot. And still he didn't address the central issue.
And they won't.

KG said...

The Zealot was spokesman for the 'Center for American Progress'
Take a look at this:
'Soros and Halperin recruited Harold Ickes -- chief fundraiser and former deputy chief of staff for the Clinton White House -- to help organize the Center. It was launched on July 7, 2003 as the American Majority Institute. The name was changed to Center for American Progress (CAP) on September 1, 2003. The official purpose of the Center was to provide the left with something it supposedly lacked -- a think tank of its own.'

Now, why would the left be so keen to deny the reality of the leaks/hack, I ask myself....

Lucia Maria said...


I listened to another one like the clip I've got above where Fox was interviewing a prominent environmentalist ... I'll have to find it again. It was so funny. The environmentalist was flipping out.

I'm beginning to wonder if NewsTalkZB have pulled this NIWA story. Not a mention of it since the initial thing in the intro to Larry Williams' show. I thought I heard it was going to be on before 5pm, but maybe I misheard and it was after 5pm. Have to wait and see.

Meanwhile, I managed to rush out and hang out my washing while the the post-news sports was on.

Lucia Maria said...

OK, it's coming. Turn your radios on.

Lucia Maria said...

After all the ads ...

KG said...

aaaargh..we have no radio reception here Lucyna.

Lucia Maria said...

Well, it wasn't too bad. They had the guy from the group that looked into NIWA's raw data on. They didn't really go into the wider scandal of data being faked worldwide, just kept it to NZ.

Andrei said...

I listened to that - the gentleman was calm and rational, made no accusations but through down a challenge - let us see if it is met.

Well done whoever he was.

Lucia Maria said...


Yes I agree. He didn't get flustered either, nor let himself get trapped or blindsided and was prepared for the NIWA press release.

Also my post now has a 3rd update.

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