Like the pagans of old, we sacrifice babies to our gods here in NZ. But, rather than appeasing the sun god so he will rise in the morning or the god of the crops so that he will grant good harvests or the war god so he will grant victory over our enemies, we sacrifice our babies to the gods of money, convenience and lust.
These three gods are so vital to the citizens of this land that we will do anything to ensure that their gods do not deny them. And if a few women whose babies are sacrificed die along the way, well, that is a cost worth taking.
But gods who demand the blood of innocents are never satiated. They demand more as time goes on. Our blood soaked altars of death will now expand from the hospital into the home. Rather than being surgically torn apart by suction devices, tiny unborn babies will be delivered at home. Thus expanding the web of sacrificial altars all across the country.
Related Link: Garth George: Abortion idea sends chills up the spine ~ NZ Herald
Good Grief Lucyna what have you been smoking? Stop it its way to strong for you!
ReplyDelete"Like the pagans of old, we sacrifice babies to our gods here in NZ"
Would you like to name some of these gods?
Using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God as a definition of a god
or characteristics of a god
Money is not supernatural neither is it a deity.
Convenience is even less defined but it is not a "supernatural creator"
Lust is definitely not incorporeal thou I could go with it being omnipresent! But still not a God.
Still its interesting watching Daft George loose contact with reality in yet another article. What a clown he is.....
Sb
I'm totally crystal clear, SB. I went to confession over the weekend, and normally I cannot post for a week or so afterwards. But this post just came out without any problems.
ReplyDeleteAs to your problem with my use of the word "god" in relation to money, convenience and lust - does that mean you think the old gods of the sun, the crops and war were real beings? Surely not!
"I went to confession over the weekend, and normally I cannot post for a week or so afterwards"
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting I would have expected it to work the other way round. Confession would make you more likely to post!
"does that mean you think the old gods of the sun, the crops and war were real beings?"
That's not the point - the people who worshiped those old Gods believed in them just as much as you believe in yours, and considered them to be real creatures that they could meet in person. Nobody thinks about about money that way, though they may lust after them and build their lives around them they do not consider or treat them like gods.
Nobody prays to money (except Scrooge McDuck!)
Sb
Do you not listen to Simon and Garfunkel SB?
ReplyDeletePoetic License and all that. The meaning is pretty clear.
Why is it so *convenient* to flush a 9 week old fetus down the toilet but really *difficult* to imagine people "worshiping" false gods in the context of this story?
Completely agree Lucyna. A "god" is whatever you want it to be. In the past, civilizations have sacrificed their young children to (more traditional) gods of their imagaination. These days, the parameters may have changed, but the sacrificing of innocents continues, and as Lucyna says, - to the god of convenience.
ReplyDeleteIf this proposal goes through, and I realise this is perhaps a bit gruesome, I for one am dreading the day what a water care/effluent worker in a city in NZ discovers during routine maintenance or a blockage clearance of a filtration system....
ReplyDeleteor what a plumber is called to block in a domestic house...
Could that happen? Certainly.
" money, convenience and lust. "
ReplyDeleteI believe I know 6 women who have had abortions and the reasons why.
With one possible exception neither money, convenience or lust entered anywhere into their decisions.
In each case it was existing commitments to existing children which was the overriding factor of the various factors which made up their choice. In all cases they already had children, were not teenagers and in long term relationships. I find that suggestion that " money, convenience and lust." is a factor in anything more than a small number of abortions ridiculous.
Sb
Right, SB.
ReplyDeleteMummy loves her children so much, she kills the youngest in order to make sure the older siblings continue to have their fair share of her commitment to them...
That's convenience, nothing else.
Because only a small number of unexpected pregnancies involve alcohol, or are outside a committed relationship, and where the contraception (that was definitely in use) failed then?
ReplyDeleteIn each case it was existing commitments to existing children
A one child family policy then? Or is the cutoff 2.2 if there are cats to feed and a dog to walk? Still sounds like "convenience", or more precisely, inconvenience.
This is of course a much easier determination to make when a person has a view that they are not destroying life, they are merely preventing it from evolving to a "born" state, so I can understand the logic.
Perhaps that's the thing that really encapsulates all of this - the belief it's not really life that is being terminated, just a zygote (as a feminist recently referred to a 20 week old fetus).
Wow I did not realize before that you two have absolutely no idea what so ever about how it works.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't got a clue! You could not be further from the truth!
I have come across closed minds before but you two take the cup.
Sb
You want to clarify sb?
ReplyDeleteHere's the list of common reasons:
In the United States, about 6 million women become pregnant per year
Each year, nearly 1.2 million American women have an abortion to end a pregnancy.
The most common reasons women consider abortion are:
* Birth control (contraceptive) failure. Over half of all women who have an abortion used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.
* Inability to support or care for a child.
* To end an unwanted pregnancy.
* To prevent the birth of a child with birth defects or severe medical problems. Such defects are often unknown until routine second-trimester tests are done.
* Pregnancy resulting from rape or incest.
* Physical or mental conditions that endanger the woman's health if the pregnancy is continued.
Mind you, that's a diversion to the points we made, that you seem rather blinkered about.
ReplyDeleteTry this thought exercise:
We are in Rome around 2100 years ago. Unwanted babies are taken to the dump and left to die.
Mothers interviewed at the scene explain the following good reasons:
* The father didn't want another one.
* We couldn't afford it.
* They looked a bit weedy.
* We already had enough.
* I wanted a boy.
* I'm not really ready, and worry that I'd do a bad job.
All common reasons even today (especially in India and China re the "boy" thing.)
Thing is, we now view this as murder, and not showing respect for life.
Take the example of the mother who threw her new born baby out in the aeroplane toilet trash bin. Not good - agreed?
"I believe I know 6 women who have had abortions..." - Sb
ReplyDeleteIncorrect Sb. With 1 in 5 pregnancies ending in abortion, that number is likely to be closer to 60 women - unless you never get out and socialise.
As for saying that Lucyna and Zen Tiger have closed minds, that's a cop out - you just can't cope with their superior reasoning.
"existing commitments to existing children" is a wonderfully poor reason to kill the next child before he or she has a chance to say "no", and to fight back - even to put out a hand to push you away.
Damn. Do the babies in the womb get than chance? No. There's footage showing unborn babies trying to escape the abortionist's tools.
I wonder why? Perhaps the little unborn person just wanted to live.
Hey, speaking of child sacrifice, I’ve come across a book with tons of it and over 2 million believers in New Zealand!
ReplyDeleteHere’s what their book says….
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, and toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them.--Dt.28:56-57
God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? This cruel book doesn’t say 38:7
God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7
After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
There’s a lot more of this sacrifice and cruelty.
Grab a copy.
It’s called The Bible (ask for the King James)
Off fishing.
See ya.
Paul.
PS: There's nothing in The Bible directly on abortion, I checked, so don't bother except for a recipe how to do perform it.
You know, SB and CA (Paul, I'm assuming not Paul Litterick) you two remind of Bertrand Russell's Xmas turkey:
ReplyDeleteThis turkey sought to gather all the facts about the grain it was fed. It collected data on the type, amount, weather on the days it got it, what soggy grain tasted like compared with dry, whereabouts in the pen it was put and what volume was delivered each day. In short, it got all the data it could and conclusively proved that nothing mattered it was the same any day, any time anywhere. Feeling smug and proud with this knowledge it strutted around the pen until it had its throat cut on Xmas eve.
Unfortunately, it had completely missed the point of its existence.
(Apologies to any inductionists out there).
Once again, I can't help but feel that if children were really being sacrificed in New Zealand then you'd do more to put a stop to it than just sit at home and whine about it on your blog.
ReplyDeleteWho says we don't Danyl?
ReplyDeleteMore to the point, if YOU thought children were being sacrificed in NZ, what would YOU do about it?
Because the evidence is there: why are you ignoring it?
The burden of proof is with you Danyl.
ReplyDeleteYou must prove that foetuses are either not humans, not persons, or have no right to life. And until then, we must assume that foetuses are indeed humans, persons, and have the right to life.
What MrTips said. "who says we don't?"
www.prolife.org.nz
What MrTips said. "who says we don't?"
ReplyDeleteWhen is the last time you were arrested trying to prevent these child sacrifices? Or is a few hours or days of your own freedom more important to you than the lives of innocent children?
I haven't been arrested yet Danyl. But I'm sure as heck prepared to be arrested if that is necessary.
ReplyDeleteI know exactly what you're saying, and you raise an excellent point. If we truly believe that these are unborn persons being murdered, why aren't we doing more about it.
However, whether our actions do match up to our words is irrelevant to whether abortion is right or wrong.
For me, I can do far more good trying to change hearts and minds via the blog than I could offering myself as a lemming to get arrested in a country where very few people are much exercised by the murders going on every day.
ReplyDeleteJust as pointless as rushing a WW2 concentration camp by yourself.
You would make one completely useless strategist, Danyl.
Danyl
ReplyDeleteSo getting arrested is your notion of commitment? What kind of argument is that?
One can prevent child sacrifice of abortion without getting arrested. Such as supporting woman who MIGHT be tempted to have an abortion with practical things, ie. supporting the mother and child together.
Debating in the public arena that abortion is murder and pointing out FPA suck also counts as doing something.
The idea that protest is only real sign if you get arrested or blow up a clinic is rather lame to say the least. C'mon, you're smarter than that.
@Danyl. LOL. Always the comedian.
ReplyDeleteHowever, whether our actions do match up to our words is irrelevant to whether abortion is right or wrong.
ReplyDeleteThat's not correct. You can feel that abortion is wrong - I do too, and I think that late term abortions should be illegal outside exceptional circumstances (medical emergency etc). But even though I don't like standard, first trimester abortions I don't think they're equivalent to 'child sacrifice' and I don't think any of you do either, because your attitude towards abortion is much more temperate than it would be if children around the country were literally being murdered.
It's a bit of an own goal for the pro-life movement; you claim that 'abortion is murder' when most people accept that it isn't, so you've already lost the argument. There are much more reasonable grounds on which to oppose abortion than a lot of silly nonsense about child sacrifice, which is only going to make everyone laugh at you.
On one hand you imply no-one here cares about abortion unless they get arrested for violent action, and on the other you miss the obvious passion behind the use of such imagery.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, what is your basis for evidence for this statement:
your attitude towards abortion is much more temperate than it would be if children around the country were literally being murdered.
Look at the issue of child abuse. There is a horrendous amount of child abuse occurring every day.
But the reaction to it, whilst it has its moments of angst and hand wringing, amounts to very little.
The biggest "attack" on the child abuse problem I can think of is the rather warped response from the Greens to ban smacking.
Based on your theory, one would expect much more concrete action to be happening in dealing with child abuse.
Especially because there are just so many more people that are against child abuse than the relatively small number of people against abortion.
Furthermore, child abuse is clearly illegal whereas abortion has the full support and funding from the state.
Interestingly, it's technically illegal but its a law allowed to be flouted.
To put it another way - Jeanette Fitzsimons doesn't need to axe an SUV owner to death to prove she cares about the environment, and the abortion movement doesn't need to be a violent and ultimately pointless reaction to a culture of death.
Paul [Canterbuty Athiests] said:
ReplyDelete"God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions"
And guess what, completely plagiarized from this site :
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/cr_list.html
QED
Again first trimester abortions are as much murder as are third trimester abortions. Since when was being bigger than another person a qualification for being a human being?
ReplyDeleteIt is a modern day slaughter and until we stop it by changing the hearts, minds and wills of this nation we will continue to reduce our country's creativity, capacity, hope, life, unselfishness and love. Why, why, why, kill an defence baby who never did anything wrong? Because they are alive that is the only reason. Sounds like Stalinist USSR, Maoist China or Hitler's Birkenau: I will kill you because you are alive. Those three total is less than 100 million: the abortionists of this world are currently sitting at around 1.5 billion. You only need to visit the Poodwaddle.com clock to see that abortion is the number one killer in the world, and is more than double the next biggest killer: cadiovascular disease.
The idea that we should be 'doing more' to stop the genocide of children by the State and the FPA among others completely misunderstands human nature. It is not possible to force people to your beliefs even if you physically try to stop them. If you go further then you have to kidnap the abortionist or the mother, and further than that? Even Hitler and Stalin with all their financial power, militiristic power and propagandistic (sp?) power failed to permanantly change the state of their countries. Not only that, their regimes fell. There is one truth that will always remain: you cannot force a person to change their minds: not even the worst persecution will do that. So don't come with this cheap nonsense hat we can force change upon people. Even God himself when he sent his Son Jesus Christ didn't force change on people: neither can we. Danyl, don't go and state this again as you are either completely naive (less likely), or more likely rebellious. Since when did you think Christians should become rebellious?
Nah Koolaid...here:
ReplyDeletehttp://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com/2008/11/one-of-worlds-oldest-known-abortion.html