Dave at Big News points out abortionists are effectively paid on commission, putting the three top abortionists on the ultimate baby bonus scheme. Over $200 grand a year. Nice work if you can get it.
I always wondered why the waiting lists for abortion weren't at least 9 months, like some other medical issues. It's all in the funding.
I always wondered why the waiting lists for abortion weren't at least 9 months, like some other medical issues. It's all in the funding.
Wednesdays where I work are known as 'termination day'--that's when a procession of young females arrive at the Day Procedure Unit...
ReplyDeleteWhat a sad sight.
"succession' that should be..grrr. Night shift.
ReplyDelete"I always wondered why the waiting lists for abortion weren't at least 9 months, like some other medical issues. It's all in the funding."
ReplyDeleteOf course, you may not want your triple coronary bypass done by a quack intent on upping his throughput to maximise his payout...
There should be a cap on these abortion payouts. Still, its amazing National were having a go today about ACC physio payments, and not the ever-exapnding abortion costs, isn't it? Or the creepy IVF funding - which is getting closer and closer to state funded eugenics.
Zen, Squaredrive and KG I agree with your sentiments on abortion.
ReplyDeleteBut we need to remember these guys are lightweights, over-paid may be (but so are all public servants) mere mortals.
It’s time we looked at the monotheist God chap – go straight to the top.
1 in 4 miscarriages are caused by this cruel Christian ‘big guy’ high-up in his corporate cloud , so everyday he racks up a foetus body-count in the millions.
It’s this Gods Church leaders and his worshippers, we need to go to and scream – “God stop this senseless slaughter”.
As an Atheist I’m sickened to the core of The Christian God-man killing babies (by my calculation 1 every 30 seconds)
Included in his toll was one of my own children.
Christians may be happy with the situation with their God terminating births, but I’m saying “enough is enough God man”.
My sentiments on abortion on demand are the same as yours – it needs to be stopped – starting at the top.
I'm with you on this one 100%.
All the best.
Paul.
PS: I understand Sunday is the best day to talk to him, if you are making an appointment. He doesn’t see Atheists, so I can’t assist stopping the baby genocide here.Zen, perhaps you are better placed than me to talk to Mr God?
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ReplyDeletePaul, you've been debated on your meaningless drivel before. You ignore it, refuse to respond to the counter points and are either incapable of doing so, or simply pigheaded in your bigotry.
ReplyDeleteIf I get time we will go through the counter points to your above proposition (again), providing you attempt to debate them rather than making your assertion and then running off.
You're wasting your time Zen, he's a hater.
ReplyDeleteJust take solace from the fact he's no longer in the teaching profession.
"Atheists are player-haters"
ReplyDeleteLOVE IT!
Hold on a second here, I’m the only one who is truly standing-up for the rights of the unborn - not you!
ReplyDeleteCan’t you see I’m merely more strident and far more consistent in my endeavours against abortion than you lot?
You are only willing to take a stand at a mortal level, a diet-coke anti-abortionist.
I’m the ‘real thing’!
As an Atheist my stand opens me up for attack for both pro-abortionists and ironically theists, like you, who believe we should stand by and let in abortion of the Godly kind happen on a mass scale.
Sadly, I expect to be persecuted by conservative theists for my stand against abortion at all levels, just as much as liberals & feminists.
Mono-theists in particular are far worse in their attacks against me than say feminists.
It’s a cross I have to bear, I guess (you may be familiar with that term?)
But I fervently believe my cause is righteous and this Atheist won’t be silenced, or accept being called a hater or a bigot -Gods abortions must be stopped!
Remember a fetus can’t speak nor can it sin.
I forgive you.
Paul.
PS: I’m in the process of starting RADAB (short for Radical Anti Abortionists) and begin protesting outside Churches.
Oh yeah, a bigot and a hater I can take BUT kindly don’t accuse me of being an ‘ex’ teacher in future.
ReplyDeleteHave some decorum Koolaid.
We may have our disagreements , but we don’t need to lower ourselves to mud-slinging like ‘teaching profession’ (an oxymoron if I ever saw one)
Besides if that were the case, there would be more spelling mistakes and grammatical errors than you currently see with my posts, eh mate?
See ya.
Paul.
Paul, do you believe in free will? That is, people are free to chose what they do and are not protected from the consequences?
ReplyDeleteDo you believe the universe has a set of natural laws, which dictate the rules for biology, physics, and chemistry?
These are generally held to be the belief set of atheists, but are not incompatible with a belief in God.
You are asserting an expectation for God to intervene in the Universe he created on potentially millions of events (why stop at a miscarriage).
Your assertion therefore is a strawman argument. My belief in God does not come with an expectation he will redefine his natural laws to suit your inadequate understanding of him.
It would ultimately remove ALL free will. This is just one of several explanations that destroy your argument.
Please respond to this and explain why you think this does not apply to your theory, rather than ignore it and repeat the same statement like you have now done three times recently.
O.K then let’s start with the messy subject of free-will ( theists fall-back position, when all else fails)
ReplyDeleteI’ve tried to explain that I don’t believe a fetus can indulge in what you term is sin & even if they could – what sin is enough for God to administer such a punitive punishment, you see as being part of his plan ?
If you are suggesting a gestating baby has free-will, you are bonkers.
I don’t think anyone (mortal or mythical) should kill a baby for the sins of that, baby’s parents.
Parents want a child, God terminates the pregnancy - isn’t free-will in my books.
It’s vindictive murder.
To boil down my basic premise……
In respect to abortion I see X and Y as being equally abhorrent.
You see just X because Y is irrefutable, above mortal law.
Y is your God and he can do what the hell he likes as far as you are concerned.
Either that, or you don’t actually believe it is God that terminates pregnancies, saves us from burning aircraft, sent his son to earth to get killed, created man etc?
If it’s the later - then ‘welcome aboard’ Zen!
Off for the rest of the day, work to do, beer to consume, a T.A.B to keep going.
Good chatting to you Zen.
Paul.
Paul,
ReplyDeleteyou know, the problem is that you have this concept of physical LIFE as the best a person could aspire to and no concept of HEAVEN, to which we are all called to aspire to but unfortunately, not all able to get to because of personal choice and yes, FREE WILL.
I believe the unborn and small children, due to their innocence will get to Heaven at some point. Maybe they are already there. And at the end of the world, EVERYONE will be reunited with their bodies, ie the Resurrection of the Dead. The new resurrected bodies will be so far superior to these ones we have now that there really will be no comparison. We will be immortal at that point.
So, your unborn child has that destiny at some point in the future and so too does every unborn baby that dies, for whatever reason.
This world is really a testing place for human beings. It is a place of pain and suffering and death - and God taking someone away from all of that is really a mercy to that person - not an evil act. Especially if you consider that when God looks at every single one of us, being outside of time, He sees ALL of our life ALL AT ONCE. So, when he looks at you, He sees everything you have done and everything you will yet do until the end of your natural life.
And despite knowing what choices you will make, whether you choose eternal life or eternal death, He still gives you the option to choose life or death. If He didn't, He would be nothing more than a puppet master.
Now your contention that God is evil for "killing" unborn babies is ludicrous when looked at from that perspective.
Ah, but then, if God can take the lives of the unborn and it be ok, then why would it not be ok for us to do it?
Good question.
God sees the entire life of each person He has created and also what could have been if that life had not been artificially cut short. By killing any human being, born or unborn, we violate the Divine Plan and have the potential of destroying our own eternal life in the process.
There is a coming back from that, of course, but it requires the person to realise what they've done and to honestly seek repentance and forgiveness. God does not hold back His mercy, but, a person who does not seek it cannot then go to Heaven when they die because they've already rejected God.
The only second chances for anyone are while they are alive.
Why did God take the life of your unborn child? Maybe to save that child's soul. Or maybe to save yours.
Hi there Maria,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your long-winded justification of abortion ‘God Style’.
I just don’t buy into abortion at any scale, divine or otherwise.
Kindly appreciate, as an Atheist I’m not selective, into souls etc.
I only wish you guys would see where I’m coming from here?
I have suffered at the hands of your God, and I don’t want others to suffer his megalomaniac wrath – how hard is this to understand?
I don’t want to thank him/her for killing my child nor pay homage & want him/her to simply stop the senseless murder – the same as you want mortals who kill babies to cease (the basis for the original post, if I remember correctly)
Let’s boil this down to the nuts and bolts (which is frankly hard, having consumed 5 pints of Guinness at my local)
I am asking Christians like you who believe in Gods intervention to ask Mr or Mrs God to not to kill babies!
Sins, or no sins.
Maria, you strike me as a kind person.
I can’t believe you can defend the murder of babies at any level??
If this site intends to post anything justifying abortion in future, which you’ve just done here, expect my vitriol.
I won’t be silenced by either liberal feminists, nor conservative Christians, who share common-ground when it comes to abortion.
I’m fully expecting you guys to start deleting my posts, rather than deal with the subject of the worlds biggest abortionist.
It’s me who’s on the higher moral ground than you, and that’s what hurts.
Sleep needed.
Paul.
Are we defending the murder of babies, or just realizing that one has to take the good with the bad in this life?
ReplyDeletePaul said: I just don’t buy into abortion at any scale, divine or otherwise.
Then you don't buy into death at any scale, divine or otherwise.
You are expecting God to stop everyone from dying (in this life), whether it is in the womb, at the playground, in the car or at a rest home.
You are saying death is evil, and anything that allows death is therefore evil.
Death in itself is not evil. It is a necessary part of life.
You may as well rail against gravity, and ask God to end it.
Unfortunately though gravity is as much a part of his plan as the cycle of life. And it's better we have it than not.
Although, if you believe in Christ, you might see the possibility of life after death, and you might see the hand of God in a lot more of the good in your life rather than in the bad.
As a parent, are you going to stop your child from scraping his knee at the expense of learning to walk? Are you going to risk letting him or her out of the house at the risk of being in a car accident?
What possibility of experiencing all life has to offer if you protect them to such an extent?
You might want to consider the serenity prayer before you blame God for the yin the yang requires:
God,
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.
Can you explain to me why you expect God to stop everyone from dying (in this life) and what kind of world that would make?
Are you simply in a rush to get to heaven without doing the work first?
I'll address your other points when I get the chance.