Sunday, October 17, 2010

Andrei The penny has dropped in Germany

German bid at multi-cultural society has failed: Merkel.

This is bound to cause a furore but you can't maintain a workable society consisting of enclaves of people speaking different languages and holding different values and who do not want to integrate.

It inevitably leads to civil discord and disorder.

Angela Merkel has articulated it, now what?

20 comment(s):

muerk said...

"and more than one in 10 called for a "Fuehrer" to run the country "with a strong hand"."

Blink blink...

That's worrying to say the least. Ten percent is a lot.

Psycho Milt said...

"Fuehrer" just means leader, there's nothing particularly sinister about it - I'd be willing to bet one in ten NZers wish for a strong leader as well.

It is a significant shift for Germany, though. Given the history of the place, most people have felt like they shouldn't say anything bad about foreigners. It's an indication of just how far the immigrants have pushed them that Merkel can come out and say stuff like that in public - 15 years ago, it would have been the electoral kiss of death for a politician to say something like this.

ZenTiger said...

Now it is only the kiss of death for a radio jockey :-)

leftrightout said...

Perhaps Angela and andrei need a history lesson.

Prior to WW2, Europe was quitemulti ethnic, if not multi cultural. Germans in Holland, Poles in Germany, French in Italy; it was one big melting pot.

At the end of WW2 there was a mass ethnic cleansing. Not only were the Germans all expected to resume their post war life in Germany, there was a mass migration, sometimes voluntary, often forced, as each ethnic group returned to its homelands. The one group no on wanted to take in were the Jews, thus the need for Israel.

It could be one of the reasons why so many European nations had, until recently, a reputation for tolerance.It's easy to be tolerant when 96.75% of the population is homegenous.

KG said...

Apologies for the O/T, Andrei, but you'll enjoy this:
"Chilean miners wore a special message, ignored by the MSM"

http://www.theospark.net/2010/10/chilean-miners-wore-special-message.html

leftrightout said...

Well, to continue the thread jack, let's bring some truth to the matter, truth which seems to be a stranger to KG et al.

Gracias senor does not mean thank god, that would be gracias a dios.

So what else did you buddy get wrong in his mythologising?

Psycho Milt said...

LRO: I lived in Germany in the 1990s and it was the most multicultural society I'd lived in up to that point - put NZ to shame. Yes, there were large numbers of Turks in my neighbourhood, but also significant numbers of Africans of various types, Albanians, Bosnians, Greeks, Poles, Iranians, Afghans, you name it. We have nothing to teach them about multiculturalism.

leftrightout said...

PM, I guess I wasn't clear enough. My post was about the fact the Germany and Europe were far more multi ethnic pre WW2 than now and there is no reason, other than lack of good will, that they cannot be the same again.

Psycho Milt said...

...Germany and Europe were far more multi ethnic pre WW2 than now...

But this is simply wrong. Certainly, at the end of WW2 the winners re-drew the map of Europe to suit themselves (again) and called it the self-determination of peoples (again), and there was ethnic cleansing to match. But the rise of the EU has meant people on various flavours of EU passport living and working in any EU country. I found Germany to be full of Brits, Greeks, Italians, Portuguese and Spaniards. Pretty much any EU country has a significant population of people taking advantage of their freedom of movement.

I do accept your pre-WW2 example as useful in one respect - areas like Alsace-Lorraine, Silesia, Danzig and the Sudetenland are a salutary lesson in what happens when two ethnic groups are competing for dominance in the same territory, and I can't imagine anyone in Europe now would want to take them as a model of how things should be.

KG said...

"Well, to continue the thread jack,.."
It was no such thing and I suspect you know that, you offensive little creep.
"let's bring some truth to the matter, truth which seems to be a stranger to KG et al."
As I said--an offensive little creep. I very, very much doubt you'd have the courage to call me a liar to my face.

"Gracias senor does not mean thank god, that would be gracias a dios."
Yes, it would--and I didn't claim otherwise.

"So what else did you buddy get wrong in his mythologising?"
In the first place, the video wasn't made by my "buddy". Anybody less than brain-dead would realise that. Further, the visual evidence of the video speaks for itself.

Lastly, any objection to the off-topic comment is the call of the post author to make, not some slimy weasel who is inexplicably tolerated in an otherwise decent blog.

Lucia Maria said...

KG,

Have a look at Nos. 188 - 196. It will explain the seemingly inexplicable.

muerk said...

LRO - I think you will find that "Gracias Senor" in this context is referring to God.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101014080605AAFwDtM

muerk said...

LRO - Just found another site - Merriam Webster's definition where 'Senor' means 'Lord'. Sorry LRO, but you were wrong.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/spanish/senor

Given the context of the rest of the writing of the shirt, 'Thank you Lord' is clearly directed at God.

Sven said...

Yes, Europe was multicultural pre-WW, and it still is, there are major cultural differences between Germans, French, Dutch, Danish and all the other peoples in Europe.
But they are not the problem. It's not Russian or African or American or Polish people, either.
It's almost exclusively a problem of turkish and arabic people. They openly refuse to accept anything western, including the german language, school-system and justice system. There are schools in Germany, where kids of german decent are a minority, being bullied by the musilim majority. Guess what happens, when they fight back.

Other politicians' problem is, that they reduce this to a language problem. It's much more than that, it's a cultural problem.
It's a problem with a culture of people that say "Islam means peace" when they are confronted, start rioting over cartoons and stay very silent when terrorist attacks in their lords name happen.

Say what you want about the catholic church, but when child molestation happend, the people spoke out against it. Not the church, the people. When will the muslim people (at least the ones in the west) start showing the same outrage over mass-murder in their lord's name as over cartoons in a danish village-gazette?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, that Merkel finally said what millions are thinking. Because before you can tackle the problem of intigration, you have to openly accept that there is one.
That still doesn't make Merkel anymore believable though, her term will still be remebered by most as one of inactivity.

Greetings from Germany.

muerk said...

And if you STILL don't believe me LRO -

http://tedandaliciasmith.blogspot.com/2010/10/gracias-senor-thank-you-lord.html

http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2010/10/16/chilean-miner%E2%80%99s-t-shirt-gives-testimony-to-jesus-christ-%E2%80%98to-him-is-the-honor-and-the-glory%E2%80%99/

http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/29425-miners-jesus-t-shirts-spark-flood-of-interest

KG said...

Lucia Maria, I have no problem with those who counsel perfection--but I will not tolerate the behaviour of the unprincipled and dishonest where it directly affects me.
If that's a commandment broken, then so be it.I don't recall anything in scripture which commands me to be a doormat.

Lucia Maria said...

KG, from Luke 6. Here are the doormat commands:

27 But I say to you that hear: Love your enemies. Do good to them that hate you. 28 Bless them that curse you and pray for them that calumniate you. 29 And to him that strikes you on the one cheek, offer also the other. And him that takes away from you your cloak, forbid not to take your coat also. 30 Give to every one that asks you: and of him that takes away your goods, ask them not again. 31 And as you would that men should do to you, do you also to them in like manner.

32 And if you love them that love you, what thanks are to you? For sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if you do good to them who do good to you, what thanks are to you? For sinners also do this. 34 And if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive, what thanks are to you? For sinners also lend to sinners, for to receive as much.

35 But love your enemies: do good, and lend, hoping for nothing thereby: and your reward shall be great, and you shall be the sons of the Highest. For he is kind to the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37 Judge not: and you shall not be judged. Condemn not: and you shall not be condemned. Forgive: and you shall be forgiven. 38 Give: and it shall be given to you: good measure and pressed down and shaken together and running over shall they give into your bosom. For with the same measure that you shall mete withal, it shall be measured to you again.

Lucia Maria said...

Hi Sven!

Thanks for your comments. Looks like we are getting quite a few incoming hits from Germany today!

muerk said...

KG - Everything that LM posted and this: Blessed are the meek...

ropata said...

At least the Germans aren't acting like doormats and beginning to speak out against a subculture of systematized injustice and oppression

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