no need to talk to yourself Lucy. I am here. Was hoping for lively debate tonight about the fact that Helen has decreed that we are now a country with no official religion and the fact that helen sunk to a new low today by visiting "the family in crisis" du jour. He is truly a PM who is completely without shame in the pursuit of favourable media coverage.
If we don't hear from Murray by Sunday, we'll assume assassination. Given all of the other crimes of the Govt and Govt related departments, we can't be far off our own Dominique Prieur
I'm not sure what to think about the no official religion thing. It's like the prayer in parliament doesn't seem to have stopped the MPs from doing whatever the heck they wanted to anyway.
It is just another small step towards total social re engineering. The lefts desperate attempts to turn us into the socialist utopia they talked about in the 6th form biscuit club all those years ago. Frankly, as a committed atheist who likes the fact that some christian ideals stop the country descending into anarchy I am deeply concerned for the future of my children in this country
Ah, so I haven't spooked all the atheists, then? But then, are you a real atheist, Bill, or just someone that has not been convinced of the existence of God?
we have ours going full bore. it has been very mild in kerikeri but I have been chopping wood for weeks and the wood pile was in danger of collapse, so we are sitting in shorts and tshirts as far from the fire place as possible
I'm sure winter's going to really hit us soon. Today was the first day my older son appreciated me insisting that he wear a long-sleeve skivvy to school.
Speaking of politics and religion, I was most surprised to hear Chris trotter on "the panel" yesterday defending the parliamentary prayer. Seemed to think it put the MPs in their place for a bit :)
Looking forward to watching the race tonight, S1's law of sport does not apply to boat races.
"Theological debate was not the intention when I commented on my beliefs or lack of. But atheist I am. Happy to coexist with un-unbelievers."
Hey me too! If you lot would just promise not to kick down my door, drag me out and burn me at the stake for doing stuff that you claim offends you we could all get on great!Its only the authoritarian/banning aspects of you guys that bothers me and the rest of Atheists United ..the religious belief part is your business.
..and you might find me more liberal and less fundamental than you realise James. Doesn't stop me from investigating this religion thing, and trying to put myself in another's shoes.
I love the fire and the big kitchen table, Lucyna. Is it a view of your house?
As for the power bill tragedy , I blame the government. Who still owns Mercury energy, the government. Who sets the capital parameters of how it should be run, who appoints its top bosses, the government. Who is the Minister for SOEs and Energy Minister, Trevor Mallard! Who from Treasury told Mallard to make these targets, Michael Cullen. And who agreed to it all , but one Helen Clark.
Of course, we could look a little at the individuals concerned. The family had financial problems. Seems the husband didn't earn enough. Why is this? Is it because taxes are too high at a lower paid level, so the poor of New Zealand pay far more tax than the poor of Australia. Whose fault is this, but the government. The husband's wages were low because New Zealand is a poor country. Who has been in power for the past eight years. Whose economic policies have failed to generate extra wealth for the people? What little extra wealth there has been has been gobbled in tax. Whose fault, the government. We see people having large families when truth be told, they best cannot afford them. Why is that poorer people have large families that they truthfully cannot afford. Whose policies allow and possibly even encourage such behaviour, but the instigatiors of such welfare policies, the government. Under whose watch has a growing underclass appeared in South Auckland, but the government.
It is all very simplistic of Helen Clark and others to blame the power company, who may not be entirely be blameless when the entire truth is known. But when it comes to making off the cuff assertions, this tragic case highlights the risks of all those who make simplistic assertions. No doubt I have made some myself.
But everyone is to blame, including and most particularly, the individuals in that family.
And by raising the issues I have, I hope to show how it is hard for any one thing, or any one organisation to carry the can for this unintentional and tragic episode.
I wish it was a view of my house. I'd love a kitchen like that. Oh well, maybe one day.
As for poorer families having more kids than they can afford - there's not that much difference between having two children or three, or four children or six. The issue is that it takes the mother out of the workforce for longer.
Yet, in days gone by, families did not need both parents working to get by.
What seems to have happened over the last few decades as women have been forced into the workforce is that overall wages have gone down. Before the standard used to be, what is the amount needed for one person to support a family. Now the standard is what is the amount needed for two to support a family - and so wages overall have dropped to fit the new standard.
Which also means that single people are now earning less than they would have done in the past.
It's not the size of the family that is the problem.
..and you might find me more liberal and less fundamental than you realise James. Doesn't stop me from investigating this religion thing, and trying to put myself in another's shoes."
Fine....just leave the Nazism and banning at home...
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I suppose everyone's gone on holiday and were stuck in the traffic that I went by this afternoon and no one will show up.
ReplyDeleteOh well, I can always talk to myself until hubby gets back with the pizza.
no need to talk to yourself Lucy. I am here. Was hoping for lively debate tonight about the fact that Helen has decreed that we are now a country with no official religion and the fact that helen sunk to a new low today by visiting "the family in crisis" du jour. He is truly a PM who is completely without shame in the pursuit of favourable media coverage.
ReplyDeleteOh, and murray has gone quiet since he outed sonic. A coincidence or something else :-)
ReplyDeleteIf we don't hear from Murray by Sunday, we'll assume assassination. Given all of the other crimes of the Govt and Govt related departments, we can't be far off our own Dominique Prieur
ReplyDeleteHi Bill,
ReplyDeleteNice to see you!
I'm not sure what to think about the no official religion thing. It's like the prayer in parliament doesn't seem to have stopped the MPs from doing whatever the heck they wanted to anyway.
It is just another small step towards total social re engineering. The lefts desperate attempts to turn us into the socialist utopia they talked about in the 6th form biscuit club all those years ago.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, as a committed atheist who likes the fact that some christian ideals stop the country descending into anarchy I am deeply concerned for the future of my children in this country
possibly should have breathed in,whilst typing that last epistle!
ReplyDeleteFriday night whisky grammar.
Ah, so I haven't spooked all the atheists, then? But then, are you a real atheist, Bill, or just someone that has not been convinced of the existence of God?
ReplyDeleteTheological debate was not the intention when I commented on my beliefs or lack of. But atheist I am. Happy to coexist with un-unbelievers.
ReplyDeleteBut I had to ask!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, onto other things. I think I have to turn the fire down, it's not as cold as normal.
we have ours going full bore. it has been very mild in kerikeri but I have been chopping wood for weeks and the wood pile was in danger of collapse, so we are sitting in shorts and tshirts as far from the fire place as possible
ReplyDeleteI'm sure winter's going to really hit us soon. Today was the first day my older son appreciated me insisting that he wear a long-sleeve skivvy to school.
ReplyDeleteEvening all.
ReplyDeleteBit late, I know.
Bit of a mess with a computer.
Speaking of politics and religion, I was most surprised to hear Chris trotter on "the panel" yesterday defending the parliamentary prayer. Seemed to think it put the MPs in their place for a bit :)
Looking forward to watching the race tonight, S1's law of sport does not apply to boat races.
Thank goodness.
what time do they kick off, or whatever they call the start
ReplyDelete"Theological debate was not the intention when I commented on my beliefs or lack of. But atheist I am. Happy to coexist with un-unbelievers."
ReplyDeleteHey me too! If you lot would just promise not to kick down my door, drag me out and burn me at the stake for doing stuff that you claim offends you we could all get on great!Its only the authoritarian/banning aspects of you guys that bothers me and the rest of Atheists United ..the religious belief part is your business.
Have a good weekend one and all.
..or thrown to the lions.
ReplyDelete..and you might find me more liberal and less fundamental than you realise James. Doesn't stop me from investigating this religion thing, and trying to put myself in another's shoes.
Good Morning everyone
ReplyDeleteI love the fire and the big kitchen table, Lucyna.
Is it a view of your house?
As for the power bill tragedy , I blame the government.
Who still owns Mercury energy, the government.
Who sets the capital parameters of how it should be run, who appoints its top bosses, the government.
Who is the Minister for SOEs and Energy Minister, Trevor Mallard!
Who from Treasury told Mallard to make these targets, Michael Cullen.
And who agreed to it all , but one Helen Clark.
Of course, we could look a little at the individuals concerned.
The family had financial problems.
Seems the husband didn't earn enough.
Why is this? Is it because taxes are too high at a lower paid level, so the poor of New Zealand pay far more tax than the poor of Australia. Whose fault is this, but the government.
The husband's wages were low because New Zealand is a poor country. Who has been in power for the past eight years. Whose economic policies have failed to generate extra wealth for the people? What little extra wealth there has been has been gobbled in tax. Whose fault, the government.
We see people having large families when truth be told, they best cannot afford them. Why is that poorer people have large families that they truthfully cannot afford. Whose policies allow and possibly even encourage such behaviour, but the instigatiors of such welfare policies, the government.
Under whose watch has a growing underclass appeared in South Auckland, but the government.
It is all very simplistic of Helen Clark and others to blame the power company, who may not be entirely be blameless when the entire truth is known.
But when it comes to making off the cuff assertions, this tragic case highlights the risks of all those who make simplistic assertions.
No doubt I have made some myself.
But everyone is to blame, including and most particularly, the individuals in that family.
And by raising the issues I have, I hope to show how it is hard for any one thing, or any one organisation to carry the can for this unintentional and tragic episode.
DarrenG
Hi Darren!
ReplyDeleteI wish it was a view of my house. I'd love a kitchen like that. Oh well, maybe one day.
As for poorer families having more kids than they can afford - there's not that much difference between having two children or three, or four children or six. The issue is that it takes the mother out of the workforce for longer.
Yet, in days gone by, families did not need both parents working to get by.
What seems to have happened over the last few decades as women have been forced into the workforce is that overall wages have gone down. Before the standard used to be, what is the amount needed for one person to support a family. Now the standard is what is the amount needed for two to support a family - and so wages overall have dropped to fit the new standard.
Which also means that single people are now earning less than they would have done in the past.
It's not the size of the family that is the problem.
'..or thrown to the lions.
ReplyDelete..and you might find me more liberal and less fundamental than you realise James. Doesn't stop me from investigating this religion thing, and trying to put myself in another's shoes."
Fine....just leave the Nazism and banning at home...
Which particular posts or comments do you think I called for banning something?
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