Friday, August 3, 2007

Lucia Friday Night Free For All

Friday again. Open chat time again.

62 comment(s):

scrubone said...

Evening.

Lucyna said...

Hi! Looks like I haven't scared everyone away yet!

I just noticed that Nia, the abused 3 year old, has died. So, it's murder now.

scrubone said...

Didn't know that. Very sad.

Oswald Bastable said...

How somebody could commit an act of such cruelty to a child is beyond me...

scrubone said...

How anyone could think that asking those stupid questions will help is beyond *me*.

All it'll do is make people wait even longer before going to the hospital - maybe bury the kid in the backyard.

ZenTiger said...

Or put them in rubbish bags under the sink, as was another story this week.

The story was something along the lines of: A women left her kids in the car with the windows up on a hot summers day (USA). Her plan failed, and the kids were freed.

When the police got around to serving a warrant a few days (?) later, they found the kids in rubbish bags, dead.

There's some extremely sick people out there.

Anonymous said...

I'm starting to think along the lines of severe public flogging. If you treat children like that, what right do you have to fair humane treatment?

I bet we'd only have to do a couple too. That'd make the rest sit up and take notice. It'd also save considerably on prison time.

Oswald Bastable said...

It's really getting up my nose, this 'It's ALL of our problem'

BULLSHIT!

It's predominantly a recidivist subculture problem.

I and others who try our best to lead good lives and cherish our children are continually insulted by this outrageous slur.

It's not OUR problem- we are the ones trying to help with THEIR failings.

docjok said...

I am just very upset. We have a daughter the same age. The thought of someone doing what has happened to a carefree 3 yo is beyond sad. It is not how it is meant to be. Once all the public hand wringing is finished nothing will change. That is also very sad. Because change starts with a change of heart. And with an acknowledgment of a set of rules for life that are greater than your own selfish desires. Trouble is the hand wringers can't get there heads around that. Labour/Greens ever changing rules for life just don't cut it eh.

docjok said...

Oh, Lu - you don't scare me, and the wine and cheese looked nice...

Barnsley Bill said...

Evening all. Been out the last few Fridays so missed fish at my favourite catholic aunties on a Friday night... any hoo.

When are we going to stop circumventing the issue and call it like it is, re the death of another maori child (yes I saw the report on the telly). I read a report today where an Australian commentator has decided to stop labeling the stolen generation as such but has decided to call them the saved generation.. Lessons to be learned here I believe. Allowing these creatures to breed so they can avoid any normal human responsibilty in the form of earning their daily bread is perpetuating suffering for their young. Some hard decisions need to be made.

ZenTiger said...

Yes, bring back public floggings. Spare the rod and doom the child.

docjok said...

tell Sue that Zen. She has just managed to have that sort of thing banned.

Oswald Bastable said...

Interesting the old 'Spare the rod & spoil the child' line.

What had been lost in translation is that this is the shepherd's staff (rod) which is used to guide the flock.

And clout any predators with!

docjok said...

It seems Oswald, that an awful lot has been lost in translation - not just the staff/rod imagery

ZenTiger said...

Yes, and lest I be quoted out of context, I'm advocating flogging the predators.

scrubone said...

Floggings would be a very serious step, possibly crossing a line.

But on the other hand, isn't the punishment supposed to fit the crime? Seeing someone covered in blood and forced to apologise on live TV is bound to make even the worst abuser think for a moment.

Would it really be worse than implementing a big brother program on all children? Would it be worse than having state agencies breathing down the necks of good parents?

Because that's our current direction.

Funny though, how more invasive government intervention is the solution to government intervention not working...

dad4justice said...

Yes my children are my life and anybody try and break the existing bond of love with them then I 'll agree public flogging .

This looney government should be in prison for large scale child abuse .

Jesus said a society that does not protect it's children is doomed .

Why can't we care about our kids - Helen Clark bitch ?

Helen Clark is so corrupt and all the kiwi's do nothing .

Cheers to nothing in the land of lies and lies !!

scrubone said...

Some would say that failure to discipline children at a young age leads to contempt of authority in later life.

In that context, it is ironic that the authority of parliament was used to ban smacking :)

ZenTiger said...

Why is flogging worse than prison? I thought prison was a place where rights are removed - no freedom, possible violence from cell mates, mental torture etc.

Both are simply forms of punishment to people found guilty of a crime. It remains to be seen if one works as a better deterrent.

ZenTiger said...

Hi Scrubone. I've been trying to post a comment on your blog. It keeps timing out.

I was running with the theme of "fire Cindy". Had a bit more material for consideration.

docjok said...

Perspective is also needed gentlemen. NZ is a great little country despite the best efforts of the socialists to stuff it up. We still care about such things as have just happened. People are generally grieved, saddened, outraged and concerned. This is all good - if we shrugged our shoulders and didn't give a stuff it would be far more concerning. We don't have huge excesses of child poverty in NZ, or forced child labour, or children staving to death, or fighting in civil wars or any of the other many evils that blight the lives of children in so many countries

scrubone said...

Some would say that failure to discipline children at a young age leads to contempt of authority in later life.

In that context, it is ironic that the authority of parliament was used to ban smacking :)

ZenTiger said...

Good points Docjock, but we have far too many single parent families struggling, or two parent families having to work long hours and seeing little of their children, and it is not good for society in the long run, even as it is bad for the family in the short and long term.

scrubone said...

sorry, it looks like both my blog and my computer are playing up tonight.

Sorry ZT, must be an issue with the site - they seem to use NZ prime time to do maintenance.

dad4justice said...

Respect for polticians , yeah right Ned Kelly would shine over these demented fools !!

Kids need love not CYFS and police causing havoc for them .

What would that maggot Clark know about children .

docjok said...

Interesting isn't it. When I was a kid in NZ not that high a % of women worked and a single income family on the average wage could afford a house. By increasing family incomes all we have done is bid up the price of houses and other such things. I agree many are struggling, but perhaps we all set out sights in terms of standard of living a wee bit high.

scrubone said...

"Kids need love not CYFS and police causing havoc for them "

Never was a truer word spoken.

How many children will be ripped from their parents by CYFS because of these stupid hospital questions, causing far more damage than their parents ever could.

scrubone said...

Dad4justice: I was referring to parliament, which is (like it or not) the highest authority in the land. Politicians are a slightly different story.

doc: I know a family that just bought a house, then realised that their two incomes were actually only one after the extra costs of childcare etc were taken into account. Goodness knows how they'll get on with that one.

Andrei said...

Yes, a very depressing reading about this poor child.

Nevertheless this sort of mistreatment of children is anomalous.

Yet out leaders would control the way vast majority of responsible parents who raise there children to stop the very small minority who abuse children (who are often not the parents anyway).

And it does no good whatsoever because law breakers break laws regardless.

And Zen while floggings, public or otherwise might give some satisfaction to the outraged majority they do nothing to rehabilitate the offender - in fact make them worse.

Public floggings might have the salutory effect of scaring the hell out of potential offenders if they witness such a thing but even then it is dubious that someone who is so callous as to hang a three year old child from a clothesline will be stopped from doing so.

Hanging might help - it is guaranteed to prevent re-offending and also helps remove such scum from the gene pool.

dad4justice said...

This is Clark's and Bradford's plan as they want to destroy fathers and families, so the insipid sisterhood can rule .

Surely something must be done to stop this and please the National Party are gutless wonders .

The traditional family will be destroyed and all the kiwi's say nothing .

I would go to WAR for less !!

docjok said...

Hey I know, we could follow the Brits example from a few years ago and send them all to Australia

dad4justice said...

Parliament is the highest court in the land , no wonder corruption is abound in all the lesser courts !!

God help this cess pit country .

ZenTiger said...

I'm not so sure Andrei. I thought it might be a way of developing empathy for the pain they put their victims through?

scrubone said...

On the subject of 16 y/o voting: let them have it when they have $1200 of bills to pay in one month.

docjok said...

Dad, it really isn't that bad. There are heaps and heaps of really good people in this country. Don't worry about Clark and Co, what you are seeing with them is the dead cat bounce. I have a lot of faith in the good and reasonable people who make up the vast majority of NZ.

ZenTiger said...

docjock, the aussies have wised up. The Aussies are sending them back here. I just read a story about a sex offender in Australia who would walk around kids parks with a kitten to help lure children away.

They got him on one charge of child abuse, but walking with kittens wasn't a crime. Neither was it a crime to have a sound proof dungeon in his yard. For the good of the community, and keeping to the latter of the law, they decided to send him back to NZ (he arrived in Australia 1969 I think)

Now he's walking around children's play areas in Wellington.

ZenTiger said...

Providing the bills are not court imposed fines....

Anonymous said...

Of course, we could be really brutal and do all the above - flog them, hang them, and send them to Australia.

They could then display them in the outback - "if you are really bad to your children, we'll send you to New Zealand".
(I'm joking of course)

docjok said...

The ultimate threat eh - being sent back to NZ. Up there with waterboarding and shock treatment. I wonder whether the sisterhood will add that to the list of hospital questions about abuse 'have you ever been sent back to NZ'

dad4justice said...

We are the third highest in the world for child abuse and Clark and her deranged scum do nothing !!

docjok said...

Hang on Dad, that is a bit harsh. They have just banned smacking. That is sure to stop child abuse eh.

ZenTiger said...

Calm down dad4justice. I'm sure Clark has a plan to get to number one. These kinds of policies are child's play to some-one of her political skills.

Now, if the power had been cut to that household, the drier wouldn't have been working. Why are we so blind?

mojo said...

But it's Friday & formost a weekend of relaxation ahead. I must say I awoke this am. to the radio saying it was fine and a sunny fine day ahead ... & it was peeing down.
Got me to thinking ... this isn't even prediction, sort of like observation, if one were to look out the window but I guess no one had & one of these NIWA guys is to talk on global warmth this weekend ... oh, dear ...

docjok said...

So Zen, what you are saying is 'if only those power companies could be more responsible' - capitalist pigs, I spit on them. There it is done.

dad4justice said...

I can't understand how our country became the shame of the South Pacific .

Good night and God bless .

docjok said...

Good night Dad - God bless you too

ZenTiger said...

Well Docjok (sorry for the typo previously), although my comment was in extremely bad taste, you do have to wonder about life's little ironies that weave in and out of these issues.

ZenTiger said...

Rember Dad4justice - Chillax.

docjok said...

Indeed - if they had no power, and the clothes line had been pull out not rotary there is no guessing what else they might have found to torture her with instead. I read the article on stuff. It appears the abusers / murderers we the boyfriends family not blood relatives. Which sadly is so often the case. There is a lot to be said for children living with Mum and Dad who both have a genetic stake in the child being raised.

scrubone said...

I wonder what people did to their children before we had darwin to tell us about genetics...

ZenTiger said...

I'm stunned.

Latest news: A man KIDNAPPED a 14 year old girl. Injected infected HepC blood into her (she may never recover) and was accused of sexually violating her.

Total penalty - 2.75 years in prison.

What??

docjok said...

Perhaps he was like Paris Hilton and too much jail time was likely to upset his delicate internal balance

ZenTiger said...

Funny you should say that. That was virtually the strategy adopted by his lawyer.

docjok said...

Now I am just hoping you weren't his lawyer.

docjok said...

Righty, time to put the head on the pillow. Good night anyone who is still reading this

ZenTiger said...

Night docjok.

Not his lawyer, but this song springs to mind:

With blood shot eyes
And bleedin' hands
I put my new suit
In the cleaners again
Took the first bus
I didn't look back
Lungs long blowin'
Like a smoke stack
Hair fallin' out
As the wind blows through it
My horse ran second
Just like I knew it would
Overflowin' ashtray
Yay

And the Officer said
Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Get yourself a suit and tie
Get your hair cut way up high
Get yourself a lawyer son
Better get a real good one

got legs I can walk
All the way down the dirt track
I fell Down
I got up
I turned around then
I walked back
I walked to the sea
I stood there, looked for a sign
It took time
But it came
I added up and took
What was mine

Better get a lawyer son
Better get a real good one
Don't drop the soap
Don't smoke no dope
Get yourself a lawyer son
Your gonna need a good one
To getcha outa this one

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

Good evening everyone

As a PommieKiwi , i just cannot get over how violent this country is towards its kids, or let me rephrase, how violent Aoteroa is towards its tamariki.
Having had a relationship with a maori, I have had firsthand experience of seeing and hearing this violence.
Concepts of mana or being the man just fuel a warrior culture.
However I saw some maori succeed and prosper, as I have in my working life, and some fail.
Failure and violence is not necessarily through being maori but a failure of certain people to take responsibility for themselves.
However, while violence towards kids is largely a maori problem, it is a problem for all our society.
We all pander too much to primitive maori culture. The haka just glorifies violence and while I am not into banning things, NZ society should pay no more attention to its primitive gruntings, the All Blacks should abandon it.
We also need to stop electing politicians that persist in policies that fuel an irresponsible underclass.
We also need to change the agenda of the local media, point out it has the wrong views and is out of touch. Its need for financial survival will ensure a change if directions are loudly and clearly given.
Well, that's just a start.
To change the topic, I quite enjoyed the Food Show yesterday. much interesting food and wine drunk. I've just eaten Turkish bread cooked with mince in morroccan spices. Well, if the muslims are going to take over, you might as well get used to their diets. And quite tasty it is too.

ZenTiger said...

Evening FFM. I'm all blogged out methinks. Will hit the sack and see what hits the front page tomorrow.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Morning All. Well, better late than never, you know. It was actually Adolf who coined the phrase "saved generation' afew days ago. Isn't it amazing how the liberals have rewritten history. I wonder when the aboriginal adults who were rescued from their violent surroundings will seek to pay some compensation to the government for the costs and odium heaped upon it in return for saving their scrawny hides from violent and premature deaths.

Barnsley Bill said...

I wondered where I had read the "saved generation" comment...

I.M Fletcher said...

I think I'll have a slice of cheese "A" please :)

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