Wednesday, October 3, 2007

Lucia NZ taken hostage by carbon terrorists!

It's official, New Zealand and much of the West is suffering from Stockholm syndrome. We've been taken hostage by carbon terrorists. I feel as if I went to sleep in the 60s and have woken at the beginning of a new dark age in 2007. It's now a race as to who will take us back to the 1700s first - Islam or the carbon believers.

~ G Hall, Plimmerton, Dominion Post, To the Point, Oct 3, 2007
While I do like the phrase "carbon terrorists", I have to wonder what the heck this person was doing falling asleep in the 60s! It's the duty of every citizen to remain vigilant. Which is probably why we are in the mess we are in - too many people either went to sleep in the 60s or got distracted with sex and drugs and a licentious lifestyle to really take notice of what was going on.

The result? Carbon terrorists.

8 comment(s):

Nick C said...

It's very interesting to compare modern enviromentalism with 16th century religion (before martin luther came along). Back then the cathloc church charged people money to repent for their sins, and you could literally purchase forgivness from god on a piece of paper. These days you buy carbon credits for the sin of emitting carbon. So you can literally purchase forgivness from "mother earth" on a piece of paper!

Lucyna said...

Nick,

Back then the cathloc church charged people money to repent for their sins, and you could literally purchase forgivness from god on a piece of paper.

Ah, yes, that is the myth. It's not actually true. You're getting confused between the temporal remission of sin and forgiveness.

From Catholic Answers Indulgence Myths

One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "[I]t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . It is well to observe that in these purposes there is nothing essentially evil. To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded."

Lucyna said...

Sorry, that wasn't "the temporal remission of sin", it's the "temporal remission of punishment due to sin". Now I'm getting confused!

Nick C said...

"In 1516-17, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar and papal commissioner for indulgences, was sent to Germany by the Roman Catholic Church to sell indulgences to raise money to rebuild St Peter's Basilica in Rome.[35] In Roman Catholic theology, an "indulgence" is the remission of punishment because a sin already committed has been forgiven; the indulgence is granted by the church when the sinner confesses and receives absolution. When an indulgence is given, the church is extending merit to a sinner from its Treasure House of Merit, an accumulation of merits it has collected based on the good deeds of the saints. These merits could be bought and sold.

This is from wikipedia. Im no historian but wikipedia is ussually right. And it proves my point about the similarity 16th century cathlocs and carbon trading

Lucyna said...

Nick, it doesn't actually prove your point.

First off, I'm still not sure whether you get the difference between forgiveness of sin and the temporal punishment due to sin.

Secondly, I'm guessing that you disbelieve in both carbon trading as an effective means of reducing pollution (as do I), and also in indulgences as a way of reducing temporal punishment due to sin (ie reducing time spent in Purgatory). I'm also guessing that you don't believe that Purgatory exists.

So, on the above basis, I can see how you would see both as the same or similar.

However, an indulgence does not forgive sin, therefore your charge that "you could literally purchase forgivness" is completely wrong.

Also, I have come across Wikipedia entries that have misrepresented the truth when I check up on their sources. As you've not given a source for your quote, I can't look up footnote no 35, which I would like to do so, if you can give me the link.

Nick C said...

Acctually i dont believe that humans are causing climate change. But i don't think that carbon trading would solve anything if we were. And yeah, im probly wrong on the definitions, but surely you get my point.

Lucyna said...

Nick, I do get your point. As an ardent Catholic, however, I have to point out common errors as they turn up on this blog.

Acid Comments said...

"It's official, New Zealand and much of the West is suffering from Stockholm syndrome. We've been taken hostage by carbon terrorists. I feel as if I went to sleep in the 60s and have woken at the beginning of a new dark age in 2007. It's now a race as to who will take us back to the 1700s first - Islam or the carbon believers."

I feel it'll be alot worse than going back to the 1700s, more like 600BC!

Yeah we're Carbon based lifeforms (so are animals and plants), so should we go and exterminate ourselves? Some leading environmentalists think so. The road to Animal Farm is here.

CO2 causing global warming what a lot of utter garbage. The latest scientific studies back that up.

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