Tuesday, January 29, 2008

ZenTiger Mass child beatings

Frog Blog are going on the offensive on behalf of Sue Bradford, and doing a beat-up about the s59 petition. They title the post "The right to beat your child petition". Yep, as commenter Will so accurately said on that thread:

"I’m not paranoid enough to imagine that there are 300,000 people in New Zealand who are agitating for the right to beat their children. Most of them just want to be left alone to raise their kids. It’s hard enough to begin with."


Related Link: Frogs abuse 300,000 decent people

10 comment(s):

Psycho Milt said...

Excellence also from bjchip:

Sorry Toad, I don’t accept that you make laws by letting the police decide what is and isn’t illegal. That IS Parliament’s job. This is not uncommon here in NZ. As a way to implement a “rule of law” however, it sucks swamp water.

We just did the same thing with the EFB for crissakes. The Electoral Commission gets to decide all manner of complex stuff and nobody knows what the law is until it gets taken through a whole lot of courts and a lot of precedent is created.

I.M Fletcher said...

I'm bl**dy sick of Sue talking about 'beating' and 'assault' when a light smack is neither. She is deliberately using nomenclature as applies to violence which has nothing to do with good parents applying discipline at home.

If Sue had an exemplary record of child-raising we might stop and think, well, she might have a point.

As it stands, I don't think either she or Helen are in a position to advise parents on how they should be raising their children.

Lucyna Maria said...

There's an all out assault in the letters to the editor in the Dom Post today as well. The first one goes on about, next we'll be wanting the right to beat our wives and so on (from Mike Coleman of Khandallah) and the next one goes on to link the high number of murders in NZ and the number of people that want "the right to smack small children about" (from Heather Mulholland of Pt Howard).

Psycho Milt said...

It's a controversy that's been rich in non sequiturs from day one. Of course, non sequiturs in letters to the editor are a long-standing tradition...

I.M Fletcher said...

high number of murders in NZ and the number of people that want "the right to smack small children about"

Funny how we've had a lot more of these violent crimes committed by youth, even this year, since the anti-smacking law was passed.

Lucyna Maria said...

I listened to Oliver Driver on NewsTalk ZB on Sunday night (after 8:30pm) and he drew a similiar parallel. Something to the effect of increasing violence in NZ, so why are all these NZ'ers calling for violence (smacking) to be legalised against children? He ran out of steam a bit, when a woman phoned up and said if they can ban smacking, then they (government) can also ban all violent computer and playstation games. But, but, but - that's different, he said. It was the highlight of the evening.

AcidComments said...

"Funny how we've had a lot more of these violent crimes committed by youth, even this year, since the anti-smacking law was passed."

Yeah, exactly.

The same thing happened in Sweden violent youth gang crime went through the roof.

KG said...

To be fair, Acid, if you look at the stats for Sweden a hell of a lot of the violent youth crimes are being committed by their shiny new muslim yoofs.
I'll try to get hold of the stats again, since they were among the stuff I lost when switching computers.

Simeon said...

I wonder whether the greens know what the word democracy means?

dad4justice said...

Simeon dear chap the utopian greens think that democracy is something you smoke in a 6 inch-fat Bob Marley joint.

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