Phew! I thought it was the Rabbit for a second there! Fair enough decision, Lucyna--those comments go way past what's acceptable in civilised company. (and I'm someone who isn't averse to the odd angry rant)
Hi Sean, I didn't take the blog off because I thought there was an actual threat, because I don't. I took the blog off because I thought the statements made towards Maia were completely inappropriate and went beyond the bounds of common decency. And, I have have had to remove a comment from this blog site (maybe a couple of weeks ago) made by James that also went beyond the bounds.
You might want to delink Kiwiblog as well if you were purely going along that avenue of statements made against people that went beyond the bounds of common decency. :-)
I was merely backing up what my commenter said, which is fair. I wouldn't want my readers feeling that I would hang them out to dry. Maia is trying another one of her stunts to try and discredit the right, No Right Turn offered to googlebomb me so that I wouldn't get employed in the future. It seems a few people are indeed acting very precious over it.
Consistency please Lucyna. I don't see you doing the same for other blogs at all. Just as Maia was too gutless to attack Kiwiblog readers for comments made against her there she decided to nitpick over at mine.
Tell me you saw a joke about rape on my blog by me on any given day and then tell me this has been blown out of proportion by a few silly people with too much spare time on their hands.
Heine, I think you are missing the point. DPF hasn't said anything offensive, and he's not "backing up" offensive statements on his blog. He is not encouraging such statements.
Lucyna is very consistent in her actions - she deletes comments and links she finds offensive, especially when their sole intent is to offend.
And here I think you and James have managed to offend.
I agree Maia does often slur the good name of capitalism and appears to be verging on misandry judging by some notable blog posts. And it would be a fair comment to say many on the left seem to love a good hissy fit (I'm thinking here of Idiot/Savant and Jordan Carter who also like to turn comments off and then preach from the pulpit.)
I agree that Maia may be over-reacting (but it's understandable).
More importantly, I don't think that diminishes or justifies the comments on your blog, and you only made it worse by upping the ante with another post.
It's easy to go a bit too far on the blogs, I've done it myself. I also remember apologizing for it.
My suggestion (FWIW) is to delete the posts and comments and issue an apology post to Maia.
And James needs to do a fair bit of thin king on this one too.
Thank you for some sensibiity on this Zen - I have yet to find James, wherever he may be.
I wasn't meaning that specific post on DPFs blog, but was simply explaining that the moral code being dictated to me is a little silly when other blogs listed here have comments and posters who say things about others and not one peep from Lucyna.
If I am guilty of anything, it would be of being rather sexist. I'm afraid apologising to Maia is completely out of the question for she was the one who coined the rape term, not anybody else, she should be a little more careful about calling everybody a rapist to suit her.
I don't mind being dropped off a blog roll, or a comment being deleted as that is fair game. But I don't like being told I was saying one thing when I never did in the first place.
Heine, if it makes a difference, I don't get the definite inference of rape either. That's the way Maia and others are interpreting it, and I'm not inclined to argue the point. I'll assume it is a genuinely held assumption.
I simply think James' comment was beyond the pale, irrespective of how Maia takes it.
Oh yes, I am quite oblivious of what James says as I read his sexual comments all over the Kiwi blogosphere. Hence why I suggested he go tell Maia what he told me.
Once I find him I will have a wee chat I think. Nothing he says offends me anymore :)
And on a totally unrelated matter, somewhere in a small windowless room, a single 40 watt bulb suspended by a thin frayed electrical wire, dangles above an old PC with a 64K modem connection.
If I am Maia, I would be ashamed of being on the dole, plus trying to engage the public via blogging. If you're the lowest in the hierarchy of the society (unemployment), then one wouldn't want to attract public attention such as having a blog theme as capitalism-bad, because it makes you a target for abuse by those who see that they work hard and pay tax while leechers such as Maia could travel at will to & from Australia.
I think that she should disappear from the blogosphere, until she finds employment, because I believe that it is insulting to Brin & Page (capitalist Google owners), that they give leechers such as Maia a free-blog, where she uses it to criticize people like them (Brin & Page).
Maia should learn from political female bloggers such as Cactus Kate. Kate has got a regular income and not relying on state's handouts. She blogs for joy and to spread her political views out to her readers. This is good. In Maia's case , it is not a good match , being both unemployed and anti-capitalist (the very people, ie, capitalist producers that might give her a job).
I read this blog maybe once a fortnight. I can't say that I've ever agreed with any of the articles that I've read here. Except for this one, Well done, Lucyna.
Wicket; that was totally OT and has nothing to do with these events at all.
David s. Sheesh. I'd love to hear what parts of Maia's ranting you agree with, but I will offer you an opportunity to do it on my blog rather than keep flogging this dead donkey for the good folk here.
Nobody says Team Clint aren't expressing perfectly valid objections to our own little Germaine Greer.
How appropriately they express it- and what a healthy attitude toward sex is in any case- is something a smart group blog like this should have more to say about. Don't just pull the plug, let's have a full post. It's nothing different to the healthy views about sex I've been hearing in scores of workplaces in NZ and Australia.
I've a mind to post a picture of a big black something-or-other on Silent Running! But that's not my style.
I assume Rick you haven't played the game that beNZylpiperazine made up for me? :) My sense of humour, just like my post harrassing employers for being parasites, has not diminished!
"Tell me you saw a joke about rape on my blog by me..."
We both know the exchange under discussion here. I don't doubt that neither James nor you is capable of understanding what that exchange looks like to people who don't share your sexist outlook, but that lack of understanding isn't my problem. Suffice to say, if you ever have a problem with a black blogger and James chips in with "Nothing a burning cross on his lawn wouldn't fix," it would be better just to tell him to fuck off.
For what it's worth, I agree with Zen that it's pretty contemptible for Idiot/Savant to talk self-righteous bullshit about Heine's blog while having comments turned off. At least H can reply to what I'm writing about him here.
Wicket Cactus Kate writes just as much rubbish as Maia and has a PhD in crap cliche. And she is easily as offensive; one could delink her for her constatnt generalisations about men? Not a good comparison, but then stupidity is always in the eye of the beholder.....
I don't believe James was threatening to rape Maia, nor do I believe he was making a racist comment. What he said did constitute sexual harassment however.
What's most disturbing is the way neither of you seem to be taking any level of personal responsibility for your own words. It doesn't matter what she said, and no I don't agree with her that "all employers are parasites". Bringing that up, bringing up her employment status, and all the other excuses that I've heard is tantamount to saying, "The bitch deserved it". A disturbing thing considering this country still has laws that amount to letting people off serious crimes for that very reason.
This shit isn't funny. If you want to make sexually explicit jokes, make them with your friends. Certainly do not direct them at faceless near-perfect strangers on the internet.
Both you and James deserve all the shit you're getting ATM on this issue.
David - the "bitch" deserved what exactly? Remembering that we implied nothing, what did she deserve?
Since when did I have to conform to your ideas of what can be said or talked about on my own blog? We most certainly don't deserve abuse remembering that if Maia said nothing and didn't cry wolf, there would have been absolutely nothing said on the matter fullstop.
However people like you think that by her trivilising something like rape to get attention is worthy of such attention, and that cheapens the issue of rape which is by no stretches of the imagination a funny subject.
1) Maia doesn't need the protection of social mores she holds in contempt. I might join the objections if someone used this kind of language about Lucyna, but Maia? When has she ever had any regard for the social customs that Lucyna respects?.
Maia doesn't even object to the comments on the grounds of ill manners, but rather she adopts the Marxist approach, deceitfully converting a silly but harmless comment into something much more serious, ie a threat to rape, and rape is a 'power' thing you know, all about the male patriarchal society blah blah blah...
Hell, this is the kind of loaded and politically correct language that really "offends" me. Can we do something about the people who insist on using such nauseating phrases?
"Since when did I have to conform to your ideas of what can be said or talked about on my own blog? "
Simple answer really: you don't, that doesn't mean that I, and the others that feel the same as me, can't point out that you're the one who's out of line.
The rest of your reply was pretty nonsensical, so I can't really make a serious comment about it.
However, It almost sounds like you've gone from "Hey, it was only a joke!"
to, "Look, she's a lefty who talks like a lefty, and therefore deserved it"
to, "It's my blog, you're denying me my freedom of speech!"
and now, finally, "We're innocent, and Maia's guilty of something far worse"
I don't think it sounded like a rape threat, but I can see how it could be read as such. Either way it's still unwanted sexual harassment, and has no place in a civilised society.
Lucyna is right she can link or choose who she supports or not. In this case she is supporting Maia and I have no intention ever to apologise as I didn't have any intent whatsoever to offend :)
Redbaiter: you'll find 'sexual harrassment' is a feminist term, not a Marxist one. Using 'Marxist' as a synonym for 'anything I don't like' just makes you look poorly educated, which I presume you're not.
If you want to make a case that Maia, as a feminist FFS, has no right to object to men expressing their hatred of women in general and Maia in particular in the most vulgar and sexually threatening terms, go ahead and try to make it. I can't wait...
Oh gawd, psychotic Milt's back with his looney leftist assertions.. what's this going to be? A re-run of your childlike fairy tales on Murdoch? Feminism is a sub set of Marxism you dumbarse.
BTW Lucyna, read an extremely good Alan keyes article yesterday that touches somewhat on this subject- The confusion on the right (to use a broad term)as to what is liberty and what is libertine.
I can't believe the PC boo hoo bullshit storm that's been going on while I have been off-line.....what's wrong with you people?
(Sorry Clint but ...the buggers are mad!)
This is NZ....off colour ribald joke insults are as Kiwi as Watties sauce...If I wrung my hands over every invitation I've received to got fuck myself etc I'd be armless.
I suggested Maia needed to get HERSELF a dildo to develop another interest outside of being a sad pathetic wimp of a woman...which she obviously is.There was NO intent or implication (except to bedwetters)of rape in any way...had I added the smiley ;-) that I should of at the end of my comment would there be this silly shitstorm of indignation going on now....?
Lucyna....While it is of course your prerogative to run your blog as you see fit this banning of Clints blog is stupid, pathetic overkill....but why am I not suprised that YOU have acted this way? I see you chipped in on Maias blog claiming I talk about sex all the time all over the blogs ...bullshit! Most of my posts are on political/libertarian matters ....but I do spin some shit and joust with people like most bloggers do in colourful ribald terms occasionally.So what...? I have never threatened rape or violence to anyone as anyone familiar with my posts and politics well knows....its against my principles and nature.
You are just annoyed because I comment on the Catholic paedophile problem which was the subject of the post you deleted ...ok your right to do so but be honest.You yourself are obsessed with the sex lives of Gays so what does that make you...?
Lucyna is right she can link or choose who she supports or not. In this case she is supporting Maia and I have no intention ever to apologise as I didn't have any intent whatsoever to offend :)"
Well said Heine! I however DID intend to offend the mad cow and I will do so every chance I get from now on big time!
James, you don't need to equate disapproval of what you said to supporting Maia or agreeing with Maia.
If you *choose* to continue offending people just for the sake of it, you will continue to get the same results. I don't see the value in that, personally.
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Phew! I thought it was the Rabbit for a second there!
ReplyDeleteFair enough decision, Lucyna--those comments go way past what's acceptable in civilised company. (and I'm someone who isn't averse to the odd angry rant)
Is it the weather or something? At times I think Karl Du Fresne had a point with regards some of the blogs around.
ReplyDeleteIt could be the weather. I hope it's the weather.
ReplyDeleteVery good call Lucyna. Blinded by their own liberalism those guys. It is a shame to have such identify with the right wing...
ReplyDeleteGood call Lucyna,
ReplyDeleteThere is no need for that sort of stuff, its puerile and unnecessary.
Hmmm, seems a bit precious though. It's so stupid, who would lake it seriously? I doubt Maia did, seems a bit of grandstanding on her part.
ReplyDeleteMia takes everything seriously - she's an extremist feminist.
ReplyDeleteClint's always been like that - why bother having him on your roll in the first place?
Hi Sean, I didn't take the blog off because I thought there was an actual threat, because I don't. I took the blog off because I thought the statements made towards Maia were completely inappropriate and went beyond the bounds of common decency. And, I have have had to remove a comment from this blog site (maybe a couple of weeks ago) made by James that also went beyond the bounds.
ReplyDeleteScrubone, because he asked me.
ReplyDeleteYou might want to delink Kiwiblog as well if you were purely going along that avenue of statements made against people that went beyond the bounds of common decency. :-)
ReplyDeleteI was merely backing up what my commenter said, which is fair. I wouldn't want my readers feeling that I would hang them out to dry.
Maia is trying another one of her stunts to try and discredit the right, No Right Turn offered to googlebomb me so that I wouldn't get employed in the future. It seems a few people are indeed acting very precious over it.
Consistency please Lucyna. I don't see you doing the same for other blogs at all. Just as Maia was too gutless to attack Kiwiblog readers for comments made against her there she decided to nitpick over at mine.
Here's a tip, Heine - women don't find rape jokes very funny.
ReplyDeleteTell me you saw a joke about rape on my blog by me on any given day and then tell me this has been blown out of proportion by a few silly people with too much spare time on their hands.
ReplyDeleteHeine, I think you are missing the point. DPF hasn't said anything offensive, and he's not "backing up" offensive statements on his blog. He is not encouraging such statements.
ReplyDeleteLucyna is very consistent in her actions - she deletes comments and links she finds offensive, especially when their sole intent is to offend.
And here I think you and James have managed to offend.
I agree Maia does often slur the good name of capitalism and appears to be verging on misandry judging by some notable blog posts. And it would be a fair comment to say many on the left seem to love a good hissy fit (I'm thinking here of Idiot/Savant and Jordan Carter who also like to turn comments off and then preach from the pulpit.)
I agree that Maia may be over-reacting (but it's understandable).
More importantly, I don't think that diminishes or justifies the comments on your blog, and you only made it worse by upping the ante with another post.
It's easy to go a bit too far on the blogs, I've done it myself. I also remember apologizing for it.
My suggestion (FWIW) is to delete the posts and comments and issue an apology post to Maia.
And James needs to do a fair bit of thin king on this one too.
Thank you for some sensibiity on this Zen - I have yet to find James, wherever he may be.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't meaning that specific post on DPFs blog, but was simply explaining that the moral code being dictated to me is a little silly when other blogs listed here have comments and posters who say things about others and not one peep from Lucyna.
If I am guilty of anything, it would be of being rather sexist.
I'm afraid apologising to Maia is completely out of the question for she was the one who coined the rape term, not anybody else, she should be a little more careful about calling everybody a rapist to suit her.
I don't mind being dropped off a blog roll, or a comment being deleted as that is fair game. But I don't like being told I was saying one thing when I never did in the first place.
cheers.
PM, I know I'm playing devils advocate here, but not sure there can be a connection with rape. That's going off on a bit of a tangent.
ReplyDeleteI'm still surprised after everything she says about it that people still believe her. I really do think she has a problem.
ReplyDeleteI will not encourage her in the future, but am quite surprised she took time out to read my blog :)
Heine, if it makes a difference, I don't get the definite inference of rape either. That's the way Maia and others are interpreting it, and I'm not inclined to argue the point. I'll assume it is a genuinely held assumption.
ReplyDeleteI simply think James' comment was beyond the pale, irrespective of how Maia takes it.
Oh yes, I am quite oblivious of what James says as I read his sexual comments all over the Kiwi blogosphere. Hence why I suggested he go tell Maia what he told me.
ReplyDeleteOnce I find him I will have a wee chat I think. Nothing he says offends me anymore :)
And on a totally unrelated matter, somewhere in a small windowless room, a single 40 watt bulb suspended by a thin frayed electrical wire, dangles above an old PC with a 64K modem connection.
ReplyDeleteA blogger is thinking of a new name.
Jim? Jamie? Jam? Jack?
New name eh. Something manly or are we looking at a word play?
ReplyDeleteIf I am Maia, I would be ashamed of being on the dole, plus trying to engage the public via blogging. If you're the lowest in the hierarchy of the society (unemployment), then one wouldn't want to attract public attention such as having a blog theme as capitalism-bad, because it makes you a target for abuse by those who see that they work hard and pay tax while leechers such as Maia could travel at will to & from Australia.
ReplyDeleteI think that she should disappear from the blogosphere, until she finds employment, because I believe that it is insulting to Brin & Page (capitalist Google owners), that they give leechers such as Maia a free-blog, where she uses it to criticize people like them (Brin & Page).
Maia should learn from political female bloggers such as Cactus Kate. Kate has got a regular income and not relying on state's handouts. She blogs for joy and to spread her political views out to her readers. This is good. In Maia's case , it is not a good match , being both unemployed and anti-capitalist (the very people, ie, capitalist producers that might give her a job).
I read this blog maybe once a fortnight. I can't say that I've ever agreed with any of the articles that I've read here. Except for this one, Well done, Lucyna.
ReplyDeleteWicket; that was totally OT and has nothing to do with these events at all.
David s. Sheesh. I'd love to hear what parts of Maia's ranting you agree with, but I will offer you an opportunity to do it on my blog rather than keep flogging this dead donkey for the good folk here.
ReplyDeleteNobody says Team Clint aren't expressing perfectly valid objections to our own little Germaine Greer.
ReplyDeleteHow appropriately they express it- and what a healthy attitude toward sex is in any case- is something a smart group blog like this should have more to say about. Don't just pull the plug, let's have a full post. It's nothing different to the healthy views about sex I've been hearing in scores of workplaces in NZ and Australia.
I've a mind to post a picture of a big black something-or-other on Silent Running! But that's not my style.
I assume Rick you haven't played the game that beNZylpiperazine made up for me? :) My sense of humour, just like my post harrassing employers for being parasites, has not diminished!
ReplyDeleteYou assume correctly.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I've got your back, so to speak.
"Tell me you saw a joke about rape on my blog by me..."
ReplyDeleteWe both know the exchange under discussion here. I don't doubt that neither James nor you is capable of understanding what that exchange looks like to people who don't share your sexist outlook, but that lack of understanding isn't my problem. Suffice to say, if you ever have a problem with a black blogger and James chips in with "Nothing a burning cross on his lawn wouldn't fix," it would be better just to tell him to fuck off.
For what it's worth, I agree with Zen that it's pretty contemptible for Idiot/Savant to talk self-righteous bullshit about Heine's blog while having comments turned off. At least H can reply to what I'm writing about him here.
ReplyDeleteWicket
ReplyDeleteCactus Kate writes just as much rubbish as Maia and has a PhD in crap cliche. And she is easily as offensive; one could delink her for her constatnt generalisations about men? Not a good comparison, but then stupidity is always in the eye of the beholder.....
I am being bombarded with a lot of Anon comments on my blog today, so have had to turn Anon comments off for a couple days.
ReplyDeleteI guess the kind of people that associate themselves with Maia are the type that hold grudges eh! :)
PM. I practise equal opportunity harrassment. The blog and my record speaks for itself.
Heine:
ReplyDeleteI don't believe James was threatening to rape Maia, nor do I believe he was making a racist comment. What he said did constitute sexual harassment however.
What's most disturbing is the way neither of you seem to be taking any level of personal responsibility for your own words. It doesn't matter what she said, and no I don't agree with her that "all employers are parasites". Bringing that up, bringing up her employment status, and all the other excuses that I've heard is tantamount to saying, "The bitch deserved it". A disturbing thing considering this country still has laws that amount to letting people off serious crimes for that very reason.
This shit isn't funny. If you want to make sexually explicit jokes, make them with your friends. Certainly do not direct them at faceless near-perfect strangers on the internet.
Both you and James deserve all the shit you're getting ATM on this issue.
David - the "bitch" deserved what exactly? Remembering that we implied nothing, what did she deserve?
ReplyDeleteSince when did I have to conform to your ideas of what can be said or talked about on my own blog? We most certainly don't deserve abuse remembering that if Maia said nothing and didn't cry wolf, there would have been absolutely nothing said on the matter fullstop.
However people like you think that by her trivilising something like rape to get attention is worthy of such attention, and that cheapens the issue of rape which is by no stretches of the imagination a funny subject.
1) Maia doesn't need the protection of social mores she holds in contempt. I might join the objections if someone used this kind of language about Lucyna, but Maia? When has she ever had any regard for the social customs that Lucyna respects?.
ReplyDeleteMaia doesn't even object to the comments on the grounds of ill manners, but rather she adopts the Marxist approach, deceitfully converting a silly but harmless comment into something much more serious, ie a threat to rape, and rape is a 'power' thing you know, all about the male patriarchal society blah blah blah...
2) "Sexual harassment", "rape jokes", "offensive comments", "sexist outlook",
Hell, this is the kind of loaded and politically correct language that really "offends" me. Can we do something about the people who insist on using such nauseating phrases?
It doesn't matter, Redbaiter. In my moral code, even those who don't believe in it are protected by it.
ReplyDeleteOh and Clint, stop talking, unless it's to apologise. Every word you make just digs a deeper hole.
ReplyDelete"Since when did I have to conform to your ideas of what can be said or talked about on my own blog? "
ReplyDeleteSimple answer really: you don't, that doesn't mean that I, and the others that feel the same as me, can't point out that you're the one who's out of line.
The rest of your reply was pretty nonsensical, so I can't really make a serious comment about it.
However, It almost sounds like you've gone from "Hey, it was only a joke!"
to, "Look, she's a lefty who talks like a lefty, and therefore deserved it"
to, "It's my blog, you're denying me my freedom of speech!"
and now, finally, "We're innocent, and Maia's guilty of something far worse"
I don't think it sounded like a rape threat, but I can see how it could be read as such. Either way it's still unwanted sexual harassment, and has no place in a civilised society.
Lucyna is right she can link or choose who she supports or not. In this case she is supporting Maia and I have no intention ever to apologise as I didn't have any intent whatsoever to offend :)
ReplyDeleteRedbaiter: you'll find 'sexual harrassment' is a feminist term, not a Marxist one. Using 'Marxist' as a synonym for 'anything I don't like' just makes you look poorly educated, which I presume you're not.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to make a case that Maia, as a feminist FFS, has no right to object to men expressing their hatred of women in general and Maia in particular in the most vulgar and sexually threatening terms, go ahead and try to make it. I can't wait...
Heine, we do not link to Maia on this blog. You don't need to equate disapproval of what James said to supporting Maia.
ReplyDeleteOh gawd, psychotic Milt's back with his looney leftist assertions.. what's this going to be? A re-run of your childlike fairy tales on Murdoch? Feminism is a sub set of Marxism you dumbarse.
ReplyDeleteBTW Lucyna, read an extremely good Alan keyes article yesterday that touches somewhat on this subject- The confusion on the right (to use a broad term)as to what is liberty and what is libertine.
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/keyes/070711
"License versus liberty"
I can't believe the PC boo hoo bullshit storm that's been going on while I have been off-line.....what's wrong with you people?
ReplyDelete(Sorry Clint but ...the buggers are mad!)
This is NZ....off colour ribald joke insults are as Kiwi as Watties sauce...If I wrung my hands over every invitation I've received to got fuck myself etc I'd be armless.
I suggested Maia needed to get HERSELF a dildo to develop another interest outside of being a sad pathetic wimp of a woman...which she obviously is.There was NO intent or implication (except to bedwetters)of rape in any way...had I added the smiley ;-) that I should of at the end of my comment would there be this silly shitstorm of indignation going on now....?
Lucyna....While it is of course your prerogative to run your blog as you see fit this banning of Clints blog is stupid, pathetic overkill....but why am I not suprised that YOU have acted this way? I see you chipped in on Maias blog claiming I talk about sex all the time all over the blogs ...bullshit! Most of my posts are on political/libertarian matters ....but I do spin some shit and joust with people like most bloggers do in colourful ribald terms occasionally.So what...? I have never threatened rape or violence to anyone as anyone familiar with my posts and politics well knows....its against my principles and nature.
You are just annoyed because I comment on the Catholic paedophile problem which was the subject of the post you deleted ...ok your right to do so but be honest.You yourself are obsessed with the sex lives of Gays so what does that make you...?
Lucyna is right she can link or choose who she supports or not. In this case she is supporting Maia and I have no intention ever to apologise as I didn't have any intent whatsoever to offend :)"
ReplyDeleteWell said Heine! I however DID intend to offend the mad cow and I will do so every chance I get from now on big time!
James, you don't need to equate disapproval of what you said to supporting Maia or agreeing with Maia.
ReplyDeleteIf you *choose* to continue offending people just for the sake of it, you will continue to get the same results. I don't see the value in that, personally.
James, come back to my blog. We all miss you.
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