Gay and lesbian Christians will protest the Pope's condemnation of homosexuality ahead of World Youth Day, labelling his beliefs as right-wing propaganda.Oh, that's just ridiculous!
The Pope's beliefs are founded on the Catholic Faith. If the Catholic Faith is "right wing propaganda", then I'm Dolly the Sheep!
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Hi, Dolly the Sheep
ReplyDeletehave you ever seen a picture of pope paul
ReplyDeletehave you ever asked yourself this question
would you trust this man with your soul now
would you trust this man ask yourself now
his eyes are sunken and his cheeks are hollow
while you dig the poor of the world they follow
he hoarding up their gold in the vatican
would you trust this man ask yourself now
a poke at the pope that's what we're havin'
ave maria
do you remember when the floods hit italy
how all the things they treasured most were destroyed
all the paintings and the worshipped images
'cos they lost their faith in the real god
he's goin' down and he's goin' down fast
you really didn't think the ignorance could last
all the little children are learning
and the constellation is turning
a poke at the pope that's what we're havin'
mumbling by the tumbling tide
the king of america humbly cried
save my soul save it soon
the king of america fell in swoon
oh yea my honey
oh yea my money
-Donovan
Yes, "right wing propaganda" isn't a value judgment. Bigoted, narrow minded and immoral would be far more accurate. The bigger issue is what the Pope wants the state to do with homosexuals, or indeed why he even thinks it is his business.
ReplyDeleteGood Morning Dolly
ReplyDeletethe bigger issue is what the Pope wants the state to do with homosexuals
ReplyDeletepresuming he wants the state to do anything with them, of course. Can anyone give me some links?
LS - thanks for that foam inspired line "Bigoted, narrow minded and immoral would be far more accurate". However, it's not clear to me exactly what you are criticising the Pope for.
Tell me, why is buggery moral?
Is an example of narrow minded, in your world, one who doesn't support pedophilia? And before you go on about consent - what happens to your value system when the age of consent is lowered?
Hey Liberty - not only the Catholic Church is apparently associated with the right wing. So are libertarians. Isn't it nice to think that the Catholic Church, as a "right wing propaganda" mouthpiece according to our readers here, are by association, speakers for the Libertarians.
ReplyDeleteJust ask Fugley and SB.
"Tell me, why is buggery moral?"
ReplyDeletePerhaps you can tell me why you think buggery is IMmoral?
Maybe you haven't tried it, but I found it quite enjoyable, as did the woman who initiated it.
The Catholic Church, and in fact all churches I know of, believe there should be ~some~ mandatory public provision for the poor, the sick and the indigent. Most religious doctrine is nowhere near far right.
ReplyDeleteLibertarians are far to the right of the church on many issues.
But not according to SB and Fugley Ruth. I think the left/right polemic a little old and doesn't properly address more complex positions. I suspect the Libertarians would agree with me. It shows when the likes of Fugley and SB reveal their thoughts.
ReplyDeleteA more telling dimension, and one dear to the Libz heart is those falling into the authoritarianism of the state and all others. Fugley, I suspect would fall heavily into the former. To Orwellian proportions (or should I say Stalinistic) proportions perhaps?
We could ask him I guess. Hey Fugley - do you believe that religious instruction should be banned by the State?
zen, I agree that the old left/right is out of date.
ReplyDeleteI am an old fashioned leftie, that is, I put people first. I have very little in common with thsoe you would call left - Labour, Greens, etc.
My personal preference is for all forms of religion to be eliminated as, just like the old left/right divide, religion has served its purpose and is now a drag.
However,that will take some time, so to answer your question, IMHO,
religion has no place in a secular society, it should be practiced in private, not public. That means no religious symbols should be publicly displayed.
Religion has no place in education,and that means the state should not fund religious schools nor should it permit the practice of religion in schools.
religious leaders should not be given preferential treatment in politics, nor ahould they be consulted as a matter of right on legislation.
Religion is a net drag on the economy and should lose its tax free status.
That is all (for now).
So picking on the pope because his churches pick on poofters shows a lack of tolerance? Doesn't the pope picking on poofters also show a lockof tolerance?
ReplyDeleteDo you expect me to tolerate the intollerant?
Anyone got a spare communion wafer? As PZ says, its just a farkin cracker.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/its_a_goddamned_cracker.php
Fugley, as an ex-Catholic yourself, you know exactly what the big deal is.
ReplyDeleteLucy, you must be confusing me with someone else -
ReplyDeleteBeing married in a catholic church doesn't make me a catholic.
I am an ex-Presbyterian, if you must know. And there we just had squres of Tip Top. :-)
Fugley, and here I thought you were an ex-Catholic! Ok, then you truly don't know. I'll have to write up an explanation.
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