“A democratic and social state has the duty to protect the poorest and the weakest, which include the unborn, the handicapped, the elderly and the terminally ill. When the state, instead of protecting the weakest, provides legal cover for the culture of death, it automatically is transformed into a totalitarian state, the foundations of coexistence are broken and a society of death, a true thanatocracy (a government run by death), emerges.”We're pretty close to a thanatocracy here in NZ. We already have abortion on demand, with the government looking the other way to ensure our abortion laws that that prevent abortion on demand are not enforced. And from time to time the euthanasia thing pops up. Fortunately it doesn't have any teeth yet, but there are politicians in our parliament who support euthanasia and even if the population doesn't, when has that ever stopped parliament from doing what they want?
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newsflash, lucyna!
ReplyDeleteIt's not just politicians in our parliament who support euthanasia, its also ordinary people living ordinary lives.
As the population ages and as technology extends life span, without extending life quality, the demand for euthanasi will increase until it must be met.
Just what is your problem in allowing me to set the timimg of my death?
Euthanasia encompasses setting the timing of other people's death too Fugley.
ReplyDeleteIt's also generally accepted that suicidal people aren't always in a sound frame of mind.
Anyway, once you sort the timing, what method are you using? Jumping out of a window onto some hapless passerby perhaps?
No zen, it doesn't.
ReplyDeleteThe timing is set by the individual, either in conversation with immediate family and doctors, or perhaps in the form of a living will.
To be suicidal is not the same as wanting to be euthanased at the end of life's quality. Please don't try to confuse the two, or are you just confused yourself?
And sadly, it is because of people like lucyna and yourself wanting to force your belief system on others, that means some people need to resort to desperate measures.
Euthanasia may be conducted with consent (voluntary euthanasia) or without consent (involuntary euthanasia). Involuntary euthanasia is conducted where an individual makes a decision for another person incapable of doing so.
ReplyDeleteIn a recent case in NZ, a son deliberately killed his mother when she asked for pain relief. There was no real conversation with her or her immediate family, he just decided it was the best thing to do.
The danger is that such actions do take away individual choice over matters as serious as life and death.
And where have I forced my beliefs on anyone? There's a difference between expressing my opinion and forcing my beliefs.
Actually, Fugley, you seem more interested in forcing your beliefs on others - wearing offensive t-shirts to deliberately offend others, and making 12 year old girls cry to satisfy your own need to push your own beliefs are just 2 recent examples you admitted to on this blog.
But fugley, our belief system is correct. We're not moral relativists. Therefore, as it is correct, by "forcing" it on others, we are preventing them and many other people from facing an untimely death.
ReplyDeleteIt may be that you could set the timing and manner of your death freely, but in allowing the state to legalise death, there may be many inconvenient people offed by their families for the inheritance.
zen, if wearing a Tshirt stating imagine a world with no religion and a picture of the new York skyline with the World Trade Centre intact offends you, then there is no hope for your redemption.
ReplyDeleteAs to ...individual choice over matters as serious as life and death that does not exist. How can I have choice when I am denied euthanasia as a possibility?
...there may be many inconvenient people offed by their families for the inheritance is not an argument against euthanasia.
ReplyDeleteQuite clearly, this is murder and it happens now.
I am not offended Fugley, I was simply saying you seem to be very upfront about pushing your beliefs on others, and so quick to attack me for any hint of the same.
ReplyDeleteI also thought your t-shirt collection was more extensive than that - didn't you mention one about a hooked nose Jew you wanted to dust off, just the other day? About the time you mentioned you would be quite keen on disrupting the World Youth Day event in Sydney had you opportunity.
Fugley said of one of his T-shirts: imagine a world with no religion and a picture of the new York skyline with the World Trade Centre intact
ReplyDeleteand also:
How can I have choice when I am denied euthanasia as a possibility?
Nothing stopping you wearing that T-Shirt in Jordan, Iran, Afghanistan or perhaps certain suburbs in the UK.