Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Lucia Today New Zealand will undefine marriage

I'm not overly disturbed, because this is the issue that will get it all out in the open and the only way to clean wounds is to expose them first.

This undefining of marriage is pretty much at the end of the destruction of the understanding of marriage over the centuries in Christendom, starting with Henry VIII when he wanted to be able to divorce his wife in order to "marry" the woman he was having an affair with. It's only been in recent times, however, with no-fault divorce and the widespread use of contraception, thus separating procreation from sex in all instances and therefore also from marriage, that we as a society have really lost our way. Undefining marriage is just one of the final steps.

We are going to have to rebuild from here.

17 comment(s):

Tanya Stebbing said...

the worst of it is that Parliament is pushing this through without the majority of the people on board. Same old. So much for Key promising no more social engineering.
voting The Conservatives.

Matthew said...

Good on you Tanya.

I had a converstaion the other day with a father who is also very concerned with the passage of this bill. I said to him that there are not enough people like him, but I hope I'm wrong.

Sure there are people who support the bill, but, there are too many people who don't support it but don't do anything. The mention of the word politics is enough to end any significant conversation.

I think one option is all the church denominations should withdraw all their ministers from holding State marriage licenses. Then, the church should draft its own marriage license system for which those who want to be married can be. In the end, I am married because I made my promises to my wife before God, not before the State. If the State tries to change what marriage means, then why would those who believe in what marriage actually is need to get a license to marry from the State? This is what one Catholic priest is advocating.

Louis'a bill in fact is dividing NZ society and I think making a choice on where you belong is one good that can come out of this terrible evil.

the conservative said...

And the door opens tomorrow; gay indoctrination in schools, discrimination lawsuits galore, polygamy, polyamory, affirmative action for gays, and……………

And then New Zealand will wake up.

Yes, vote Conservative

By the way, I rang every National MP yesterday who is planning to vote for gay marriage tonight and let them have it. And one even argued with me. “Why are you targeting the National Party?” he asked. If he didn’t know the answer to that, what on earth is he doing representing conservatism? Unbelievable ignorance.

Chris Sullivan said...

A chilling but remarkably frank opinion piece on Slate:

The definition of marriage is plastic. Just like heterosexual marriage is no better or worse than homosexual marriage, marriage between two consenting adults is not inherently more or less “correct” than marriage among three (or four, or six) consenting adults. Though polygamists are a minority—a tiny minority, in fact—freedom has no value unless it extends to even the smallest and most marginalized groups among us. So let’s fight for marriage equality until it extends to every same-sex couple in the United States—and then let’s keep fighting. We’re not done yet.

www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/04/legalize_polygamy_marriage_equality_for_all.html

On the plus side, Christian sacramental marriage may get a boost in status as many will reject the state's redefinition of marriage and look towards those who retain a proper vision of marriage.

God Bless

Tanya Stebbing said...

The Conservative -

I don't consider National a truly Conservative party these days, more like social liberal. The arrogance of them is what galls me, drinking wine in celebration whilst ignoring the mainstream view, and refusing to at least have a referendum on it.

National won't get my support this side of a blue moon. I reall

Tanya Stebbing said...

that is, I really hope that Colin Craig gets in, but will he be able to turn back the tide?
Oh, this once great country. Yep, vote Conservative.

Tanya Stebbing said...

The Conservative -

I don't consider National a truly Conservative party these days, more like social liberal. The arrogance of them is what galls me, drinking wine in celebration whilst ignoring the mainstream view, and refusing to at least have a referendum on it.

National won't get my support this side of a blue moon. I reall

Tanya Stebbing said...

The Conservative -

I don't consider National a truly Conservative party these days, more like social liberal. The arrogance of them is what galls me, drinking wine in celebration whilst ignoring the mainstream view, and refusing to at least have a referendum on it.

National won't get my support this side of a blue moon. I reall

Isumbras said...

Count me as one of the disillusioned Tanya,

It'll be a cold day in Hell before I ever even considered voting Socialist, I mean Labour, but National have lost me.... Conservative my Aunt Fanny they are (these days)

the conservative said...

Tanya/Isumbras, nor do I consider National to be conservative anymore, but they still propagandise they are, and that bugs me. They traditionally were and even to this day, the media still refer to John Key as 'conservative John Key.'
What a joke.

I.M Fletcher said...

I've pretty much always voted National (although I think that the last time I voted for my National MP and the Conservative party for my party vote).

We had to get rid of Helen, but this next time I'll be voting Conservative Party.

Tanya Stebbing said...

sorry re the duplicate, in error, could these be deleted please. Thanks NZC!

the conservative said...

Just watched Campbell live and they had a poll on gay marriage and 78% opposed it. Yet, our radical socialists will celebrate a win tonight regardless of the democratic fraud it has been. It's good to hear Craig intends to repeal it--this is a winning ticket for him.

bamac said...

After watching and listening to some of the parliamentarians tonight, I will certainly be voting differently next election .... even if my MP lost his seat he could still come back into the house on the party list ,,, that is something that should be put an end to surely?
As our National Anthem puts it " God defend New Zealand "

Isumbras said...

Key, while he comes across as personally likable has been a big disappointment. Wobbly from the get go with the Child smacking referendum backflip, he's just got wetter.... What really galls me that given the choice between 'burning' conservatives, or 'burning' so called progressives .... he chooses to put a match to what is supposed to be his base. Well, I can take a hint John, I'm off....

Ciaron said...

Pretty much echo all the sentiment here.

When Key first came to prominence, he was something radically differnt from the career troughers we hade been inundated with up to that point. He was dynamic, successfull & confident. what do I see now? a spine with the rigidity of overcooked spagetti, and a combover that gets worse by the day. Stick your appeasement where the sun don't shine John. Between this and your other anti-family capitulation, you have assured that no-one in my family will ever vote for you or your hi-jacked, pitiful excuse of a party.

\rant over.

JJ said...

Sad day for New Zealand. But here is the thing, I think this could be the tipping point that causes the pendulum to start swinging back towards morality. Because we all know this will not stop here. Next will be hate speech laws where disagreeing with homosexuality will be a hate crime. And watch for the first test case where a two deviants of the same sex will demand "marriage" by a religious institution - more than likely a catholic church if only because it is a visible expression of the church and has been stridently opposed to this evil from the start. Those who oppose this fascism - for that is what it is - must be seen to not only be defeated but also humiliated. Christians, take heart, the truth is on our side. This ain't over, not by a long shot.

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