Saturday, August 21, 2010

Lucia Irish Grandmother wants women to boycott Mass

BearHunter, is Jennifer Sleeman your mother*?
Irish Catholics should establish a home-grown church by demanding that the bishops "get the hell out of your cathedrals", a leading author said yesterday.

Former ‘Newsweek’ journalist Robert Blair Kaiser [a man of a certain age] also said that a grandmother who is urging women to boycott Mass in protest at the way women are treated in the church has started a revolution

He called on Irish Catholics to fix their "broken church" by making it "more Irish, less Roman" at the opening of the Humbert Summer School in Co Mayo.

Mr Blair Kaiser, who reported on the second Vatican Council for ‘Time’ magazine, said that the battle for the Irish Catholic church had already been started by 80-year-old Jennifer Sleeman, who has called on women to boycott Sunday mass on September 26 "to let the Vatican and the Irish church know women are tired of being treated as second-class citizens".

The US author said that the Cork grandmother had probably started the revolution.

"I have every reason to believe that you can take back your church—your church, not the Pope’s church, your church—not the bishops’ church", said Mr Blair Kaiser who recommended that Irish Catholics create a "autochthonous" or local and from-the-ground-up church.

In a keynote address ‘Church Reform: No More Thrones‘, the author said he was not attacking the Catholic faith but the "special and corrosive tyranny that popes have been exercising over Catholics everywhere".

Related link: IRELAND: Tell Bishops to get the Hell out of our Cathedrals ~ WDTPRS

* BearHunter said on this post that his 80 year old mother in Ireland is refusing to go to Mass because of her problems with "the hierarchy".

11 comment(s):

ZenTiger said...

When the Irish Bishops got into trouble, it was not because of control from the Vatican.

The solution is probably to request more help from Rome, and more intervention.

The dreadful truth about the "cabal of egomaniacal clerics" who failed Irish Catholics so dreadfully, is that these bishops did not come from Rome or Constantinople—but from Caherciveen, Tullamore, Cavan, Roscommon and Castlebar.


If Grannie wants to establish her own Church, appointing her own Bishops and demanding the property titles of the existing Churches, then she can't call herself a Roman Catholic. She and others like her are incorrectly transferring blame to the Vatican for their own ends.

At best, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but I don't even see those given the statement of the problem is quite divergent from the actual truth of the matter.

Bearhunter said...

Nope, not my ma. Probably just another wannabe, eh? Someone who is clearly selfish and egotistical and putting herself ahead of the Pope. Otherwise how dare she ever question the moral authority of the church? No one is allowed to do that in your world, eh Lucia?

ZenTiger said...

A boycott and a call for establishing a new church is not what I would call "questioning".

People are free to do what they like, but there are consequences to those actions. Seems like you are saying "How dare Lucia question the moral authority of this women"

Why, is no-one allowed to do that in your world, Bearhunter?

ZenTiger said...

To change the topic slightly, there is no doubt the Irish Church is in crisis, and it's not only for historic actions, but on the divergence of opinion on what needs to be done, and a desire to see something radically different happening to indicate, rightly or wrongly, that such scandals can never happen again.

The debate is completely understandable, and can have positive results. It is however, also a time when radicals can take the Church in such new directions it ceases to retain its core values. In this regard, I see issues of governance and accountability being conflated with issues of doctrine, and they are best kept separate, especially in such emotionally charged discussions, IMHO.

Andrei said...

and a desire to see something radically different happening to indicate, rightly or wrongly, that such scandals can never happen again

But Zen such is mankind's fallen nature bad things will "happen again".

The degree to which they become scandals depends entirely upon the agenda of those who control the conversation and how it may advance their cause.

Canterbury Atheists said...

Good on her standing up to the abusive tyranny that is Catholicism in Ireland.

More power to the brave granny standing-up for her principals.

See ya.

Paul.

leftrightout said...

It is however, also a time when radicals can take the Church in such new directions it ceases to retain its core values.

You mean like when the church decided priests could no longer marry? Or that the mass could be said in a language other than latin? Or when it was no longer punishable by death to possess and read a bible? Or was it when they stoped burning heretics?

radical changes indeed, and yet the church refuses to die.

Sarah P said...

My parish in Portland Oregon USA is participating in the worldwide action of solidarity with the idea that a Vatican that equates pedophilia with the ordination of women as "grave moral disorders" does not represent the views of a vast majority of its members.

ZenTiger said...

What rubbish Sarah. The Vatican does not equate pedophilia with the ordination of women. You just choose to see it that way, or you didn't bother actually reading what the Vatican said.

ZenTiger said...

More power to the brave granny standing-up for her principals.

Maybe she just prefers school teachers?

KG said...

Why does the phrase "worldwide action of solidarity" ring alarm bells?
Oh, that's right...it's been used by the useful idiots of the left for the past eighty or so years.

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