Thursday, September 11, 2008

Lucia Paedophilia now constitutionally LEGAL in the EU [UPDATE]

Incredible. The Midnight Sun is reporting that paedophilia is now constitutionally legal in the EU under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty. Of course, the Lisbon Treaty needs to be accepted by each nation state and so far, not going too well on that point.

The crucial point is that sexual orientation is the Trojan horse for this legalisation.
Page 412 Article 21 of the Charter of the Lisbon Treaty is identical to Article 2-81 in the EU Treaty of 2004 and states, “Any discrimination on the basis of. sexual orientation or any other factor is prohibited”.

In all previous treaties, such as the Nice Treaty, there is a protocol which excludes paedophilia from the prohibition of discrimination (NJS 16 AUG).
Related Link: EU Legalises grabbing our kids ~ The Midnight Sun

UPDATE: The original post at the Midnight Sun has been taken down due to a misinterpretation or misapplication of the clauses involved. Given that the Netherlands has a paedophile political party, the idea that this gap exists is not beyond the bounds of imagination. Rather than take this post down, I'll leave it up so that this update will be available with it.

10 comment(s):

KG said...

And those people who predicted this were derided as "paranoid".
Funny how paranoia has a way of becoming prescience.

Xend Krazley said...

Who couldn't see this coming? And the "Paedophils Are People Too!" mantra will soon invade our shores as well. And it's just a matter of time until some fool judge enshrines the idea in law by fiat.

libertyscott said...

This story is complete nonsense and even your source concedes that.

http://www.themidnightsun.org/?p=2816

Fergus said...

I'm with libertyscott on this. I can't believe you're taking this seriously, the thought that a couple of hundred years of common law and la jurisprudence constante on topics such as the protection of children and the law of sexual consent would be thrown away or read down in favour of a very general treaty provision is ludicrous. The Judges of ECHR or any European court you care to pick are so unlikely to do so it beggers belief that you took this seriously. It took the House of Lords until 1991 to get rid of the rule against conjugal rape for instance, not exactly breakneak progressive.

First of all the Nice treaty would probably still be a functional part of EU law if the Treaty was passed, the Treaty as a quasi-constitutional document cannot have the specificity of earlier documents and a general treaty principle only overrules a previous treaty provision to the extent that it is inconsistent with the specific provision. The absence of a specific previous provision, especially when the outcome is so contrary to established law, cannot of itself be treated as evidence of the legislature's intent to legalise paedophilia. Honestly.

And you're saving statement that it's not unimaginable because there's a party in the Netherlands advocating this is extremely weak, its possible to find all kinds of fringe parties and they don't necessarily say anything definitional about the societies they exist in, except maybe that the rules of party registration are lax.

This is such a silly argument, its almost frustrating.

Aurora said...

Lucyna, sorry about that. LibertyScott and Fergus, I took the post down because the source wasn't 100 percent solid and both Lucyna and I are only interested in hard fact obviously. Is it possible that pedophilia will become acceptable in the near future? Well, for most of us who are following the signs, I would say not possible, probable. And I'm going to sit like a cat at a mousehole til they trip themselves up well and truly.

Lucyna Maria said...

Aurora, that's alright. And you know, it wouldn't surprise me if the assessment was correct.

Fergus, yes, there are those of us that can easily believe this to occur based on what should not have happened but has, what is against moral law, yet it is allowed and even celebrated. Multiple examples spring to mind.

Anonymous said...

As the Lisbon Treaty has received Royal Assent it is now part of English Law.

Aurora said...

Lucyna, I just received this response from Stephen Gash the organizer of Stop the Islamization of Europe whose website posted the source article. I think perhaps we were on the right track and I'm going to see if I can dig up more sources on this story:

"This story has appeared three times in the Danish mainstream media. SIOE is not the first to report this discrepancy between the two treaties, it was in the public gaze before SIOE posted it.

Not once has the story been challenged by a Danish politician or senior lawyer.

In view of this SIOE considered the story worth posting. Also, I believe SIAD had the treaty-differences confirmed by a lawyer".

Lucyna Maria said...

Thanks, Aurora. As I said, I really wouldn't be surprised if this story were completely true. That would be the way to do it - by stealth. And then wait for gradual public acceptance in the future.

kay said...

What makes you so sure that paedophilia is becoming more rather than less acceptable in our culture? Given what we all know now about what was happening in church and other institutions, missions, orphanages and boarding schools for many many decades or more while nothing was done about it, I can't see how you come to this conclusion.
For instance, we know that there were many people in authority (moral, upstanding pillars of society) who not only knew about this, but often participated and colluded to maintain their control and access to these children. We also know that the status of children was far lower than it is today and they had fewer rights (let alone capacities) to challenge abusive adult authority - sexual or otherwise.
If nothing else, either society encouraged this behaviour or people withstood a society in which many adults were utterly hypocritical in their 'moral' standards. For instance, I've heard it persuasively argued that the reason the sexual revolution was so sudden and permanent in its effects was because prudent 'moral' standards were already way out of sync with how people actually acted. Which meant that many, if not most people were doing it secretly - instituting, no doubt, a habit of having personal double standards.
In any case, it seems to me that, contrary to the pessimistic scenario that modern societies are becoming more permissive or morally 'lax' toward paedophilia, I think the permissiveness is simply shifting. Whereas in the past there was a laxity toward the active and accountable moral regulation of adults in their relations with children, now when children have been granted formal legal rights, there is now a more permissive attitude toward their right and capacities to refuse, resist and speak out against abuses of authority over them.
So I think what is distinctive about the last few decades is that far from decreasing sensitivity toward the potential abuse of children it has been increasing which has been accompanied by many more measures to regulate, oversee and make accountable anyone who abuses child vulnerabilities. That includes, of course parental physical abuse of children.

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