One of the things most sacred to the secular left is abortion.
Anything that might reduce the number of them being carried out is rigorously opposed. Things like the mandate that the woman be shown an ultrasound of her baby before making her final decision on whether to kill it or not.
Anyway here's today's horror - school Councillors arranging abortions for underage children without their parents knowledge.
Do you really think that government apparatchiks know what is best for our children? Or like me do you think that in most cases the parents know best?
Since the under the law it is perfectly legal for a school councilor to procure an abortion for an underage girl the Government obviously thinks I'm wrong in that - and that school councilors are in a better position to make life changing decisions for our children than we are.
Anything that might reduce the number of them being carried out is rigorously opposed. Things like the mandate that the woman be shown an ultrasound of her baby before making her final decision on whether to kill it or not.
Anyway here's today's horror - school Councillors arranging abortions for underage children without their parents knowledge.
Do you really think that government apparatchiks know what is best for our children? Or like me do you think that in most cases the parents know best?
Since the under the law it is perfectly legal for a school councilor to procure an abortion for an underage girl the Government obviously thinks I'm wrong in that - and that school councilors are in a better position to make life changing decisions for our children than we are.
I was wondering if it would be you or lucia to dive headlong in to this one.
ReplyDeleteYes, sometimes it isn't the parents who know best. But get the mote out of your eye, this isn't about schools, counsellors or the government knowing what's best, its about privacy im health care.
Underage is such an interesting term, isn't it?
Underage for what? Certainly, at 16 one is over age to be charged with a criminal offence, overage to obtain a drivers licence, and quite obviously, biologically capable of getting pregnant.
Yes, it would be best if the girl involved had been able to have the abortion with the support of her aprents, but as you often delight in pointing out on theis blog, not all children are raised in loving, caring households.
And sadly, not all children are raised in households where sex and sexuallity are freely and openly discussed. Perhaps if there was less religion and more humanity there would be far fewer abortions needed in the first palce.
Leaving aside the fact that no babies appear to have been killed in the story, what "Helen" really needs to be horrified about is the fact that her daughter felt the need to take her serious problem to a school counsellor rather than her own parents. She's telling you something, "Helen" - how about you listen to it rather than bleating about it in the media?
ReplyDeletePerhaps if there was less religion and more humanity there would be far fewer abortions needed in the first palce
ReplyDeleteFunny how in Catholic and Orthodox countries, where there is more religion and (probably more humanity if the truth be known) there a less abortions and less suicides - Russia might be an exception but after 70 years of the depredations of communism recovery takes time.
Leaving aside the fact that no babies appear to have been killed in the story
ReplyDeleteFirst sentence of the story
A mother is angry her 16-year-old daughter had a secret abortion arranged by a school counsellor.
A baby died!
Nah andrei, that's a confection of your own. The only use of the word baby is right at the end,in the story about Rayelene Mou, you know, the bit about how some kids CAN talk to their parents about sex and sexuality. But that bit doesn't suit your agenda.
ReplyDeleteFunny how in Catholic and Orthodox countries, where there is more religion and (probably more humanity if the truth be known) there a less abortions and less suicides
Is that so? or are the abortions done under the counter, unreported and at great risk to the woman, just like it used to be here?
Yes, I'll grant you that fewer abortions are done in catholic Ireland, they send their preggie teens to England to have it done, just as kiwi girls were once sent to Oz for an abortion.
[no babies were harmed in the typing of this comment].
The blood of all the innocent babies killed in this country cries out to Heaven and demands justice. God help us when that happens.
ReplyDeleteOh come off the grass, lucia.
ReplyDeleteBlood doesn't cry out to anything. And how would heaven distinguish the blood of the induced abortion from the blood of the spontaneous abortion?
You may be opposed to abortion, and that is your right. But it does not give you the right to demand your opposition be given precedence over the needs of others.
Perhaps you could try to mount a coherent and logical case for why your oppoosition to abortion should take precedence in our laws. And try not to rely on appeals to bronze age ramblings, just appeals to logic and reason will suffice.
The blood of all the innocent babies killed in this country cries out to Heaven and demands justice.
ReplyDeleteI expect Heaven's planning the death of all first-born sons in NZ so as to teach us not to kill children.
LRO,
ReplyDeleteOur laws are opposed to abortion. They are supposed to only allow abortion if the physical or mental health of the mother will be adversely affected if she continues with the pregnancy. But that is just ignored, the presumption always being that if the woman or girl is even thinking about an abortion, it's best for her to have one.
It's quite easy to to see must near the end of the last days. Murder is right, making fun of Christians, and Jesus, no less, is seen as a badge to be worn with pride. No logical argument will change your views LRO, and therefore nothing that is ever said will make any difference. That, I can promise you. I am not deranged or fundamentalist any more then you either. Our own opinion of ourself is just as valid as any other person's.
ReplyDeleteWW1 and WW2 along with communism blighted the 20th century more then any other century, or so I thought. Now, elective abortions, not spontaneous abortions, have killed more than 1 billion babies in the last 40 years. Puts everything else in to the pale as one part of the human race seeks to murder, maim and torture another part of the human race. Destruction, arrogance and pride mark your ways.
Blood doesn't cry out to anything.
ReplyDeleteSo you don't get metaphors? I don't have much hope for the rest of your argument.
And how would heaven distinguish the blood of the induced abortion from the blood of the spontaneous abortion?
See what I mean? LRO - can you distinguish between murder and some-one dying of old age? Give it a go, please.
You may be opposed to abortion, and that is your right. But it does not give you the right to demand your opposition be given precedence over the needs of others.
Get of the grass. Laws are advocated for all the time that infringe on the actions of others. So people can demand anything, because that is their right, but how laws are enacted and what the laws might be goes through a democratic process.
Perhaps you could try to mount a coherent and logical case for why your opposition to abortion should take precedence in our laws.
As Lucia points out, you are all for laws that suit your purpose. However, the abortion law as it stands in this country has been flouted for years. Suddenly, we see the hypocrite. And coherent, logical cases have been mounted, other readers can click on the abortion tag to review the 50+ posts done on this.
And try not to rely on appeals to bronze age ramblings, just appeals to logic and reason will suffice.
So morals and ethics are an artifact now of the bronze age? Or do you think metaphors are only for the ancient poets and have no place in a modern society concerned only with "facts"?
And why don't you try some of the same logic - comparing a miscarriage to a deliberate act of will to destroy the fetus as equivalent is not particularly logical.
But get the mote out of your eye, this isn't about schools, counsellors or the government knowing what's best, its about privacy im health care.
ReplyDeleteIt most certainly is about the government deciding to act *in the place of parents* without the parents consent and knowledge.
Underage for what?
For making life changing decisions.
Yes, it would be best if the girl involved had been able to have the abortion with the support of her aprents,
Two things with this rubbish - one, you simply assume that the girl would not have got support, and two, that abortion was the only option.
There was a story in the papers about a school boy being bullied at a boarding college. Did he go to his parents? No. He put up with it. When they sent him back the following term, he finally ran away. He presumably felt that was the only option, rather than tell his parents. Once his mother found out though and understood the full gravity of the situation, she pulled him out and has been fighting hard to have the bully expelled. In hindsight, the boy will realise his parents would be there for him.
Or, the State could have decided that the parents shouldn't know and track the boy down and put him back in college and cut of all communication with those useless parents...
A lot of children don't realise that parenting works two ways. They are familiar with the first - that of discipline for (relatively) minor trouble.
ReplyDeleteBut most don't realise that when the child gets into real, life changing trouble it's the parent's job to support their child. Most parents know the difference. It seems that our law assumes that they don't.
You may be opposed to slavery, and that is your right. But it does not give you the right to demand your opposition be given precedence over the needs of others.
ReplyDeleteSlavery and abortion are horrific acts which remove the humanity of someone in order to violate their rights. I make no apology whatsoever for opposing them, regardless of the supposed "needs" that are somehow superior to the humanity being trampled.