Tuesday, September 20, 2011

Andrei From the horses mouth

"I learned [at the age of 13] that sex was okay as long as you consented to it. I learned how to put on condoms, and we even got to 'taste test' the flavours of oral condoms."

She said her class was also taught that anal sex was "perfectly fine" as long as condoms were used, that the morning-after pill wasn't always effective, and it was "okay" to abort.

The Herald has followed up on yesterdays stories about sex education with an interview with a 14 year old mother to be.

An it illustrates only too well the disconnect between the promoters of Sex Education as a way to prevent teen pregnancy etc and the real world.

This is very sad.

But it is also satanic - not only are children being taught things that will destroy their temporal lives but things that will imperil their immortal souls.

One of the most offensive things about all of this is that the architects of these programs take it as axiomatic that our girls are sluts and will not be chaste. And that axiom is presented to children as the norm.

This anything goes provided you wear a condom mentality is pernicious beyond belief. The teaching of it to children at a point right where their hormones are kicking in and starting to rage is, well, dare I say evil.

We need to take our children back - teach them that chastity is well - sexy!!!

12 comment(s):

Psycho Milt said...

The vast array of wrongness this article encapsulates is described here: http://theladygarden.org/2011/09/20/quickie-sex-education-not-the-good-kind/

JJ said...

Very sad. I gave the eulogy at my fathers requiem mass and addressing myself to the young people of our family I said that your parents have been delinquent in the faith, and that it would be up to them to lead us back to the truth of the risen Christ. Adults who indoctrinate children that sin is good will soon find that their children reject such nonsense.

Lucia Maria said...

PM,

"Sex education is fucking important."

Is it just me, or is that statement from your link just the ultimate in irony given the content of this post?

Redbaiter said...

Hey Milt, what happened to the face slap protocol???

And Lucia, you're perfectly correct. Only Milt would send us to something so banal for "enlightenment". Some half educated vulgar and narcissistic Gen-Xer.

Andrei said...

The wrongness isn't in the article PM its in the progressive attitude to "sexuality".

Why will the "condom message" never sink in do you suppose?

You know why - because condoms actually are barriers to intimacy and detract from it and are therefore not that popular.

Why did this girl get pregnant PM?

Because that is what her body is designed to do - it is working according to specification. The reason why she desired the boy and allowed him to do what he wanted and the reason why he did wanted to do what he did sans condom ultimately is because of the necessity of procreation for the species to survive.

You can't get around this, tunnel under it or evade it. This is what it is.

So in order to make this procreation business as kind to people as possible we put cultural fences up.

Rape for example could be a successful male reproductive strategy but we don't allow it and punish rapists severely in order to protect female interests.

Our best fence, our most humane fence are the concepts of courtship and marriage whereby sexual activity is constrained to people who have identified each other as agreeable partners in the very important and emotionally rewarding task of procreation.

Psycho Milt said...

You can't get around this, tunnel under it or evade it. This is what it is.

And yet, you immediately try - recommending rules of courtship, marriage, imposed abstinence and imposed ignorance, which have a millennia-long record of failure that makes the failure of sex education look trivial. If we're to simply accept that it is what it is, surely we should lower the age of consent and age of marriage to "onset of puberty?"

More to the point: in this case, how exactly do you imagine removing sex education from the curriculum would have helped this girl, who seems to have ended up in this situation courtesy of being an unchaperoned 14-year-old drunk at a party? Is there some sense in which complete ignorance would have been of more use to her at the time?

The bottom line is, this girl's been abused by an older boy. Accountability is with him, and to a lesser extent with her parents for allowing her to be in the situation she was in. Her sex education teacher's accountability for it is somewhere around the 0 mark.

Psycho Milt said...

I gave the eulogy at my fathers requiem mass and addressing myself to the young people of our family I said that your parents have been delinquent in the faith...

They must have been so proud they chose you to bad-mouth him at his own funeral...

Andrei said...

And yet, you immediately try - recommending rules of courtship, marriage, imposed abstinence and imposed ignorance, which have a millennia-long record of failure that makes the failure of sex education look trivial.

Horse radish Milt - if it were a human universal then there wouldn't be the huge variation in teenage pregnancy rates between cultures which there is. In Italy, in Greece for example the teenage pregnancy rate is a fraction of NZs - less than a third of it and in neither country do they do the SEX ED thing.

Psycho Milt said...

And I expect in Saudi Arabia and Iran the unmarried teen pregnancy rate is even lower. So what? We live in our own culture, not someone else's. At issue is whether the higher rate here is caused by sex education - a suggestion that is, as you put it, horse radish.

David Winter said...

This is dumb. The teen pregnancy rate is pretty low in The Netherlands, and you can imagine what their sex Ed. is like. But you'd have to be cargo cultist to think you could transplant one part of another country's system to New Zealand and copy the effect.

Arguing that something is natural and therefore right is a fallacy, but even if it weren't humans are pretty unusual in the animal world in that females are sexual even when not fertile. That is, non-reproductive sex is a natural part of human sexuality.

Matthew said...

"I didn't wind up pregnant because I didn't attend a class. I know all about contraceptives and safe sex. It was purely the fact that I was drunk, it was New Year's, and some older male thought it would be fabulous to take advantage of me."

PM, that was not the only time she had sex, as you well know from the article. That puts paid to your statement that

in this case, how exactly do you imagine removing sex education from the curriculum would have helped this girl, who seems to have ended up in this situation courtesy of being an unchaperoned 14-year-old drunk at a party?

because she wasn't drunk at the time when she didn't get pregnant. Please, read, then comment.

which have a millennia-long record of failure that makes the failure of sex education look trivial.

And I'll need evidence for that. Not just some statement from you as a fact. Please, peer reviewed articles for the last 100 years to start with. And you can't produce them because they don't exist.

And I expect in Saudi Arabia and Iran the unmarried teen pregnancy rate is even lower. So what? We live in our own culture, not someone else's.

So I note you don't disagree with Andrei's statement and instead you divert. Must mean that Andrei's fact that with no sex education there is less sex. Common sense really.

Also, it seems from your statement that by saying so what that it [potentially having sex at an illegal age] doesn't really matter, in fact it's fine. Care to clarify?

Psycho Milt said...

I've tried to decide whether you're taking the piss, but can't. That being the case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you intend the above seriously.

That puts paid to your statement that..

Er, how? When she wasn't drunk in the presence of older boys keen to take advantage of her inebriation and lack of supervision, she didn't get pregnant? If anything, that's a point in favour of sex education.

And I'll need evidence for that.

Well, I'm not going to go off and read all those history books again for you, so you'll just have to take a "statement from me as a fact:" children were born to teenagers out of wedlock before there was sex education. If you doubt it, try reading a few yourself.

So I note you don't disagree with Andrei's statement and instead you divert.

Well, I expect that Andrei understood it. Yes, more conservative cultures than ours have lower teenage pregnancy rates. But that doesn't necessarily make them more pleasant places in which to live, and in any case we don't live in a more conservative culture than ours, we live in ours, so "why can't we be more like the Greeks/Saudis?" isn't really in the running as a solution. Further, there's nothing to suggest a lack of sex education has anything more to do with lower teenage pregnancy rates in Italy than it does in Saudi Arabia. "Common sense," it ain't.

Also, it seems from your statement that by saying so what that it [potentially having sex at an illegal age] doesn't really matter, in fact it's fine. Care to clarify?

Even a cursory flick through the comment ought to make it obvious that "So what?" refers to the relevance of more what happens in more conservative cultures to the NZ situation. There was nothing even slightly misleading about it.

However, since you raise the issue: you believe in God, right? And therefore, that God created us. And therefore, by definition, that God is behind this:

...that is what her body is designed to do - it is working according to specification. The reason why she desired the boy and allowed him to do what he wanted and the reason why he did wanted to do what he did sans condom ultimately is because of the necessity of procreation for the species to survive.

Care to clarify what you think God's purpose was in designing a 14-year-old girl for having sex at an "illegal age?" This is supposedly Intelligent Design, right? Any thoughts on the intelligence of this particular design feature?

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