Monday, December 26, 2011

Andrei So how's that "Peace on Earth and goodwill to all men" thing going then?

The "day" is over for us for another year - all that remains is the debris of wrapping paper string and the wine bottles that contain just the dregs of yesterday's joy.

You can put away your CDs of syrupy songs for another year, now and go clean up the mess.

Bigger mess in Nigeria though where celebrating Christmas by going to mass can get you blown up and killed.

BBC: Nigeria churches hit by blasts during Christmas prayers.

However this is not the biggest human rights issue in Africa, no, both Hillary Clinton and David Cameron have slammed Nigeria and threatened her with reduction in AID in recent days if they don't mend their ways.

BBC: Gay rights: Africa, the new frontier

Nigeria in particular has received a lot of focus in this because they have legislation before their parliament that would enshrine Marriage as only being between and man and a woman.

Quelle horreur!

9 comment(s):

leftrightout said...

Good morning Andrei.

Here is the post you should have written. It is a clear condemnation of the bombings and it does not try to promote any other agenda.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2011/12/well-merry-xmas-to-you-too/

Seems it is always left to atheists to bring clarity.

ZenTiger said...

It is a clear condemnation of the bombings and it does not try to promote any other agenda.

Pull the other one, LRO. From the Title to the conclusion, the post is trying to make an ideological point.

Well merry xmas to you too

Trace of sarcasm in the title?

Says Boko Haram, setting off bombs in churches and elsewhere that kill 32 people and injure many more. God is love, Allah is merciful, compassion is at the heart of every great religion, boom boom boom. Screams, agony, blood, death, sorrow, loss. What a nice present.

More sarcasm, to end with the sarcastic conclusion and not in any sense a plea:

Peace, love, good will.

Seems atheists can't resist trying to put the boot in, from your rude comment to the post you cite as atheistic clarity.

And it's that attitude that tells me that atheists will not (are not) living under the precepts of peace, love and good will either.

And that's ignoring the point that murder is in direct violation of the Christian ethos, and the simplistic approach of lumping the massive and disproportionate attacks on Christian Churches and Christians by Islam Fundamentalists as somehow the fault of the Christian religion.

Do you think you are acting like a nice person when you make comments like this?

leftrightout said...

Touched a nerve, I see.

And yes, there is an ideological point that religion poisons everything. Religion was the sole cause of these outrages. And I note andrei only seemed concerned with the dead in churches, but not all the victims of these attackes were in churches, nor were they all christions.

And it's that attitude that tells me that atheists will not (are not) living under the precepts of peace, love and good will either.

Show me the atheists who fly aeroplanes in to buildings.

Show me the atheists who are outraged and threaten murder when someone mocks Darwin. Or Hitchens.

Show me the atheists who insist on conformity at times like Xmas.

We simply get on with living our lives as best we can without the crutch of faith.

Do you think andrei was a nice person when he sneeringly derided the hopes and aspirations of his fellow humans?

Andrei said...

Seems it is always left to atheists to bring clarity.

No clarity at all, LRO.

You'ld be aware I'm sure that about 50% of the population of Nigeria is Muslim and there is a strong desire within that community to impose Sharia law on that country.

And the other 50% are Christian who are not infrequently massacred by the Muslims.

Or that the Government has to try and keep a cork on this.

All the while "modern" secularists are trying to impose their values on the country from afar.

Or that if such values were to be legislated the plight of the Christians in the country - who would be deemed to be responsible for this, would become dire.

Andrei said...

Do you think andrei was a nice person when he sneeringly derided the hopes and aspirations of his fellow humans?

Depends what those hopes and aspirations are LRO - the hope and aspiration for Sharia law in Nigeria by the perpetrators of this atrocity does not seem to be one to support - no it doesn't.

leftrightout said...

don't be a twerp andrei.

I have no love of any form of theocratic law. And yet you sem to think it OK to support regimes that impose death penalties for simply being born homosexual. That, in my opinion, makes you a not very nice person.

And rather than it being a case of "modern" secularists are trying to impose their values on the country from afar. we are the ones standing up for human rights whilst the christians cheer on the islamic lions.

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v24n4/us-christian-right-attack-on-gays-in-africa.html

And you think its just about marriage.

ZenTiger said...

I was asking you a direct question LRO. Your response to attack Andrei and ignore your own behaviour underscores my point.

Christians understand the fallen nature of man. You apparently do not, and think if only everyone where atheists, they would live good lives.

Your behaviour on this blog does not convince me in the slightest.

ZenTiger said...

And I note andrei only seemed concerned with the dead in churches, but not all the victims of these attackes were in churches, nor were they all christions.

Don't be a twerp LRO. Just because he referred to the Church bombings, doesn't mean he didn't care about the other attacks.

And you'll find it's not just secularists standing up for human rights, and yet again your black and white thinking can't entertain such complexity.

FAIRFACTS MEDIA said...

It is interesting to see that the things that LRO condemns all religions for, are actually things committed by one particular dogmatic religion that should have no place in civilised societies.
I, of course, refer to Islam.
While the Waikato Times gave the usual attack on Israel in a news story today, perhaps it should have printed this fine peace from Fraser nelson of the UK spectator, which highlights the fruits of the Arab Spring for many.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7516508/we-cant-ignore-the-persecution-of-christians-in-the-middle-east.thtml

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