Monday, December 26, 2011

Andrei This woman is most definitely not the equal of a man

And anyone who thinks she is is a fool.

No she is something much much better than that and she has done something that no man could ever do.

Why feminism has sought to and largely succeeded in debasing women, is a mystery, a real mystery.

And of course the only real achievement of the women's movement has been the degradation of our culture and thousands of women living in poverty while bringing up their fatherless children.

Which hardly seem an advance in human rights, whatever that may really mean in practical real world terms.

9 comment(s):

Psycho Milt said...

Actually, the achievement of the women's movement is that Western civilisation no longer considers women to be under the authority of their fathers or husbands, and they're no longer valued primarily for their breeding capacity, as though they were prize livestock. Judging by your post, this is apparently in some way a bad thing.

ZenTiger said...

Like many positive accomplishments, these things have a downside. In creating freedom and equality in one area, we see an impact in another.

I think that is all Andrei is trying to highlight?

Whatever the solution is, I personally don't see turning back the clock desirable, let alone feasible.

ZenTiger said...

Why feminism has sought to ... debasing women

Hi Andrei - I don't think that was ever the goal. If anything, it served as a reaction to the abundance of male chauvinists around that failed to see women as people, not objects. Ironically, objectification of women continues through other mediums.

When I think of feminism I think of more than just the militant types.

Andrei said...

Western civilisation no longer considers women to be under the authority of their fathers or husbands, and they're no longer valued primarily for their breeding capacity, as though they were prize livestock.

Jeepers Milt, open your mind - that is spin based on half truths and dysfunctional relationships.

Who do you think really ruled the roost in my childhood? And in every family I knew? Hmmmm

And who got to do the shitty chores, like emptying the fricken toilet - clue, it weren't my sisters mate.

There were two sorts of women in my childhood Milt, princesses (I'd use another word here but it has been misused and might be misunderstood) and whores.

You ever wonder why we are here in the first place and come in two flavours - male and female?

Strangely if you don't want to accept a spiritual answer Richard Dawkins has an explanation which leads to a remarkably similar place.

What do you suppose the Duchess of Cambridge's primary duty is? All the fancy titles and ceremony that surround her is hers because she will produce the heirs to the British throne - that's her duty, like it or not.

Psycho Milt said...

Indeed, our mothers made a big thing out of running the household and ordering us about, largely because it was the only field of endeavour open to them. I'm not sad to have seen that wall torn down in my lifetime - for all the relatively minor downsides that have come with it.

There may have been two sorts of women in your childhood, but there was a wide range of them in mine, just like there was a wide range of men - people are like that. And the Duchess of Cambridge's primary duty, like everyone else in the royal family, is to live a life of pampered luxury in exchange for being a national symbol and a kind of zoo exhibit. Valuing a woman for the ability to bear children is like valuing a man for the ability to produce sperm - it's really not that special an achievement.

Lucia Maria said...

PM,

To say that sperm is equivalent to a child is to show that you don't really value human beings or appreciate the time taken to incubate and give birth to a child. If it felt like a watermelon was coming out of you every time your sperm exited your body, then we might be getting close, but until then, let's file that in the "every sperm is sacred" idiocy.

Andrei said...

Valuing a woman for the ability to bear children is like valuing a man for the ability to produce sperm - it's really not that special an achievement.

You are not only being offensive but clueless besides.

For a culture to persist it needs women, men are disposable. Women are worth more than men!. Can you figure out why?

The USA, for example, could afford to sacrifice 10,000 men in Normandy, are there any American women buried there? Not that I have ever heard - there is a reason for this and it has nothing to do with "male chauvinism"

Indeed, our mothers made a big thing out of running the household and ordering us about, largely because it was the only field of endeavour open to them. I'm not sad to have seen that wall torn down in my lifetime

Clueless again - middle class women could devote their time to running the household - poor women had to work in menial jobs to supplement the family income - always did - even if the main breadwinner held down two jobs to keep home and hearth together, again common.

What these so called advances have achieved is to divert the aspirations of middle class females from raising a family to entering the professions while at the same time robbing the poor of husbands and handing over the sustenance of their children to the benevolent state.

Look at your campus PM 2/3 female doing worthless degrees that will lead at best to dreary jobs and a lifetime of monotonous drudgery in air conditioned offices - it don't seem like that good a deal to me - nor an advance.

Psycho Milt said...

If it felt like a watermelon was coming out of you every time your sperm exited your body, then we might be getting close...

I've seen pregnancy and childbirth and no it doesn't look like any kind of fun whatsover. However, it's also nothing special - pretty much every female mammal in existence can do it.

For a culture to persist it needs women, men are disposable.

Sure - population growth has to do with the number of breeding females available, the number of males is irrelevant as long as it's >0. But if we're assigning value on this basis, we have to take into account that there's a worldwide glut of humans and adjust the value accordingly.

Look at your campus PM 2/3 female doing worthless degrees that will lead at best to dreary jobs and a lifetime of monotonous drudgery in air conditioned offices - it don't seem like that good a deal to me - nor an advance.

One could have said the same for their male counterparts of 50 years ago, except maybe for the air conditioning. It's a pretty jaundiced view.

Andrei said...

It's a pretty jaundiced view.

You think Mr Milt - how does the weet bix get onto the supermarket shelves do you suppose - rewarding and fulfilling work putting it there?

And who takes care of the excrement after you flush your toilet makes it out of sight out of mind?

It's great Jacinda Ardern has reached the dizzying heights of being an MP, despite being a scatty vapid broad but for most it is doing the chores that keep the world turning.

I know a woman, masters degree - mid level public service management, 42 years old. Her job is essentially pointless and she knows it. Keeps herself going with anti-depressants.

She should have got married and raised a family, she was conned by feminism and its too late now.

cest la vie

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