Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Andrei "Anger" because the government wont bail out idiot

What a load of pompous posturing from the Sea Shepherd people dutifully carried by the New Zealand Herald: Anger at inaction on whale activist.

These people throw acid into Japanese Sailors faces, try and foul their propellers and then this prat sneaks aboard their ship at night.

If they hung him from the mast it would be justified in my view.

But to expect the New Zealand taxpayer to rescue him?

NO WAY - let him face the consequences of what he did, they will be mild compared to what he deserves.

27 comment(s):

Inventory2 said...

Absolutely Andrei, except that I disagree with your description of Bethune as an idiot. He CHOSE to illegally board a flagged vessel in international waters; that makes him a pirate.

Perhaps the Japanese boat has a plank somewhere on board ...

KG said...

And used lasers in an attempt to blind the helmsman of another ship. And if that's not an act of war it must come awfully close to it.
Yardarm. Rope. Pirate.

Charmaine said...

As far as I am concerned he needs to be tried for tresspass in a Japanese court. One thought though, did he have his passport with him or can we add illegally entering a country when the Japanese take him there??

I.M Fletcher said...

No one likes the Japanese continuing to do whaling but this is the wrong way to go about protesting. I agree with the comments here. What were they supposed to do once he had boarded their ship? Tell him to go away which would have resulted in him trying to get on board again?

scrubone said...

Funny how the report doesn't mention the other side - people who are angry at the actions taken by pirates.

But this guy's an idiot on many levels. I've heard that the Japanese legal system is such a mess that if they take him back he could easily be 10 years just waiting for a final verdict.

PM of NZ said...

Charmaine, He has probably already broken the law on illegally entering a country. I am sure that military vessels are deemed to be part of their parent country, irrespective of where they might currently be physically located.

Psycho Milt said...

If they hung him from the mast it would be justified in my view.

Aye - ramming and sinking those poor sods' boat and leaving them to drown, what a scumbag. Oh, hang on a minute...

KG said...

Scrubone says it well:
"I can’t think of a single case where a vessel going about lawful business has been deliberately harassed, suffered attempts at sabotage, had crew members attacked and been boarded by members of another vessel openly flying a pirate flag and the country of registry of the pirate has defended those actions."

KG said...

I notice Admiral Psycho didn't address this line:
"These people throw acid into Japanese Sailors faces, try and foul their propellers..."
Add to that, shining lasers in the helmsman's eyes...

The only pity is that all of them didn't drown down there and save the taxpayer a lot of money.

Psycho Milt said...

I notice Admiral Psycho didn't address this line:

Acid in faces: really? They've thrown "butyric acid" ie rancid butter on the whalers' decks. Oh, the horror! The horror! It smells bad! Aieeee!

Tried to foul their propellers: well, good. They're taking action to try and prevent the illegal exploitation of threatened species. What's your complaint?

Shining lasers in helmsmen's eyes: yeah, people shining bright lights in your eyes is a prick. I couldn't swear to this, but I have a hunch that future avoidance of killing threatened species would result in an immediate cessation of such annoyances.

I notice Admiral KG didn't address Bethune's entirely legitimate annoyance at the whalers' wilful destruction of his boat and their leaving of him and his crew to drown. Any comments?

KG said...

"I couldn't swear to this, but I have a hunch that future avoidance of killing threatened species would result in an immediate cessation of such annoyances.'
Leaving aside the question of whether the whales actually are a "threatened species" it appears you're perfectly hapy to cndone illegal acts for ends you regard as worthy? Nice one Milt, you just summed up leftism perfectly.:)

"I notice Admiral KG didn't address Bethune's entirely legitimate annoyance at the whalers' wilful destruction of his boat and their leaving of him and his crew to drown. Any comments?"

You're ether still woefully misinformed (despite Ciaron's efforts to educate you) or you're being dishonest.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the whaler "deliberately destroyed" the Ady Gil and a fair amount of evidence that the boat was sunk due to a miscalculation by it's skipper.

Since Ciaron couldn't educate you during the course of a long and detailed discussion it's obviously a lost cause.
Bethune behaved unlawfully. He deserves the consequences due.

Psycho Milt said...

it appears you're perfectly hapy to cndone illegal acts for ends you regard as worthy?

Leaving aside the question of whether attempting to prevent illegal whaling is itself an illegal act, does the man with assassinating a US president on his wish list doesn't really want to go there?

There is no evidence whatsoever that the whaler "deliberately destroyed" the Ady Gil...

"Wilful" mate, "wilful." You may want to look up "criminal negligence."

Redbaiter said...

Hope they feed him whale meat and nothing but whale meat and even more whale meat for breakfast lunch and dinner.

Ciaron said...

But it's ok to willfully disable a vessel in the most inhospitable & remote sea, a vessel which is breaking which law exactly?

And if you are going to be so flippant as to dismiss the damage that can be done to ones eyes with laser pointers, perhaps you would care to demonstrate how unfounded our concerns are?

KG said...

"does the man with assassinating a US president on his wish list doesn't really want to go there?'
Yes, Milt I do want to go there. Because I wouldn't give a shit if somebody shot Obama and I'm honest enough to say so.
But you pretend to take some moral high ground concerning whaling yet that same 'morality' is utterly absent when it comes to the actions of the Sea Shepherd gangsters.
You're a hypocrite, as well as an uninformed fool.I don't need to look up criminal negligence and since seeing video of the Ady Gil's skipper accelerating into the Japanese ship it looks as though he ought to be charged with criminal negligence. Either that or stupidity, and I imagine you'll be very relieved stupidity isn't a criminal offence, given your stance on the Ady Gil sinking.

KG said...

And please don't refer to me as your "mate"--I'm fussy about the company I keep and no lefties are among them. Nor ever will be.

Psycho Milt said...

...I wouldn't give a shit if somebody shot Obama and I'm honest enough to say so.

And yet, willingness to condone illegal acts for ends you regard as worthy sums up leftism? I guess a willingness to condone murder for ends you regard as worthy sums up rightism then.

...a vessel which is breaking which law exactly?

If a govt signs an international treaty obliging it not to engage in commercial whaling, and then engages in commercial whaling, how is it not illegal?

...perhaps you would care to demonstrate how unfounded our concerns are?

I don't consider right-wingers concerns about Sea Shepherd unfounded, just comically unbalanced when set against their attitudes to the whalers ramming, sinking and leaving for dead another ship.

Ciaron said...

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with the question. are you willing to have a laser pointer aimed at you eye/s.
Yes or No answer will do.

Honestly Milt you've got more positions than the Karma Sutra.

Psycho Milt said...

The question didn't seem particularly relevant. No, I don't fancy having laser pointers directed at me, much like everyone else on the planet. I've also no desire to have butyric acid in my immediate vicinity, be bombarded with water hoses and sonic disrupters, or left on a sinking boat. If I'm different in that respect from anyone else who's expressed an opinion on this thread, it's not obvious.

Ciaron said...

As far as I can see, the Japanese have done nothing more than read the rules and exploit the loopholes, but have not broken any laws. Surely if they had, the IWC would be making a lot of noise?

Hate the game, not the player.

left on a sinking boat
lets hypothetically assume that the AG had successfully disabled the SM2, would you then expect them to assist the Japanese in recovering control of their vessel, or leave them to the mercy of the elements?

Oh, yeah, don't forget that the Bob Barker was on hand when the collision occurred, and had the crew off pretty quickly. And the fact that the AG didn't sink until at least the next day, kinda negates your "hit & run" angle.

Psycho Milt said...

As far as I can see, the Japanese have done nothing more than read the rules and exploit the loopholes...

That's certainly the NZ govt's view, and it's one of political convenience. Sea Shepherd aren't constrained by the same political requirements and are free to recognise commercial whaling when they see it.

lets hypothetically assume that the AG had successfully disabled the SM2, would you then expect them to assist the Japanese in recovering control of their vessel, or leave them to the mercy of the elements?

If Sea Shepherd were to disable a Japanese ship and leave it at the mercy of the elements in the southern ocean, why yes, they'd be just as bad as the whalers. Oh, the names we'd call them! Pirates! Attempted murderers! Criminals! Terrorists! And yet, strangely we're not calling the whalers names like that when they do it. Why is that, right-wingers?

Oh, yeah, don't forget that the Bob Barker was on hand when the collision occurred, and had the crew off pretty quickly. And the fact that the AG didn't sink until at least the next day, kinda negates your "hit & run" angle.

None of this is relevant to the actions of the crew of the Shonan Maru 2 - those actions being that they rammed the Ady Gil and then fled the scene, leaving it sinking.

Ciaron said...

None of this is relevant to the actions of the crew of the Shonan Maru 2 - those actions being that they rammed the Ady Gil and then fled the scene, leaving it sinking.

Utter, contemptible tripe.

Keep the passion coming though, it's the one thing you're consistent with.

KG said...

"And yet, willingness to condone illegal acts for ends you regard as worthy sums up leftism?"

To be indifferent to is not necessarily to condone.

Psycho Milt said...

It's not necessarily to have on your wish list, either!

KG said...

Oh, I dunno. there are worse things...such as the wish-list of every little wannabe leftist Utopian, which includes the destruction of private property, the enslavement of the productive and the corruption of the young.
But I forgot--that's progressive, isn't it?

The tactic of slyly recasting what others say won't work Milt.
I repeat:
to be indifferent is not necessarily to condone. I meant what I said, not what you pretended I said.

Psycho Milt said...

Well, if I meet any of these leftist utopians, I'll be sure to let them know that having someone's murder on your wish list isn't the same as condoning illegal acts - no doubt they'll be chuffed to hear it.

Ciaron said...

Well, he's off to face trial now. I wonder if the Japanese will be in any hurry to proceed....

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