Thursday, February 4, 2010

Andrei So much for multiculturalism

France is seriously considering banning Islamic dress for women.

I'm not sure that I agree with that authoritarian approach to the problem, and it is a problem, but I am sure that this decision is correct: Veiled wife costs man French citizenship.

That's what needs to be done, ensure that immigrants want to assimilate into French culture before allowing them to become French citizens, in fact that should be done before allowing them to come to France in the first place.

We should do the same in New Zealand.

6 comment(s):

KG said...

"We should do the same in New Zealand"

YES!

leftrightout said...

Yesterday you lot were decrying catholics being required to comply with the law as religious oppression. Today you are wanting to repress someone else's freedoms, be they religious or cultural.

Can you smell the hyocrisy here?

Furthermore, I doubt you'll see many Moslem women in NZ dressed like the one in the photo.

I guess we should also ask nuns to unveil.

Andrei said...

Did you read the post leftrightout?

It says "I'm not sure that I agree with that authoritarian approach to the problem, and it is a problem"

And who are you kidding about not seeing women like this in NZ?

Hell everyday I see a black apparition with the only part of her body visible her eyes through her thick spectacles - most sinister.

What this post says is that countries should not take in people with cultural values at odds with their own - it is in fact a recipe for disaster to do so.

Lucia Maria said...

Leftrightout,

Not all of us on this blog have the same opinion.

For instance, I don't think that having a veiled wife should cost a man French citizenship.

France has a long history of religious repression and this is just another example of it.

If the French really think they are being taken over by Islam, then they should have a long, hard look at why this has happened. And the biggest cause is their own loss of religion over the years.

Voids are always filled.

KG said...

Following that lame argument LRO perhaps we should turn a blind eye to genital mutilation and wife-beating, in the name of 'tolerance'? After all, we wouldn't want to repress muslim's freedoms, would we?

The burqa is a political statement and there is no basis in islam for demanding that women wear it--the hessian letterbox is pushed mainly by extremist sects such as wahabbism.

Tolerance of evil is in itself an evil.

ZenTiger said...

Yesterday you lot were decrying catholics being required to comply with the law as religious oppression. Today you are wanting to repress someone else's freedoms, be they religious or cultural.

Hah! Yesterday, you were celebrating the demise of religious freedom and today you seem to think cultural freedoms are important.

Can you smell the hypocrisy here?

Furthermore, your broad brush attack failed to take into account what Andrei actually said, and even what I have said on a post about this topic just a few weeks ago. Lucia has just confirmed you tanked on that assumption too.

I think Andrei's conclusions and KG's comments actually get to the heart of the matter though - we live in a democracy and we get to argue for the laws we wish to live by, and that is simply freedom in action.

What Europe is beginning to understand is that their long time Western values, underpinned by a Christian history, has been slowly whittled away.

They are reacting to that realisation. Reacting in the wrong way I might add.

In a democracy, the majority can rule, and if the majority want to vote in Shari'a law and start reversing a whole lot of freedoms, well, who will we be to complain? Just a few years away from being a minor lobby group based on current birth rate differentials.

Here's a brief summary of the issues ahead:

Christianity is very compatible with secularism. It has enabled secular society to thrive and move ahead.

However, secularism now barely tolerates Christianity. It never used to be this way. Once secularism made a promise "the state will not interfere with religion". It has forgotten that promise, partly because it has abandoned many of the values that made such interference unthinkable.

In the meantime, Islam has risen. Unless it protects itself from the influences of the fundamentalists, Islam will become a danger to the Western world. And such a brand of Islam does not respect secularism, nor does it tolerate it. It merely exploits it.

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