Thursday, July 1, 2010

Lucia Censored by The Hand Mirror

It seems that having a woman defend a man who is arguing against abortion on a feminist blog is grounds for being deleted.

I've been censored by The Hand Mirror! Thank goodness for Scrapbook, which has allowed me to easily save the whole page to my computer.

My comment is answering Deborah, who tries to get ZenTiger to back off:
Zen Tiger, about practising a little christian compassion, and leaving this conversation now. That is, if you actually are a christian, instead of just prating about it.
My comment is also answering an anonymous commenter who wants to know what a man is doing on The Hand Mirror:
Is The Hand Mirror meant to be a safe place for women? As a regular reader and a woman who has had to have an abortion do I really have to be consistently confronted with a male Catholic's view that I killed my baby?
Hence, I think, my deleted comment below:

Christian compassion involves Spiritual Works of Mercy. In this case, pointing out the truth of what abortion is, no matter how it hurts, is vital.

If a person lives their life blocking out the pain of a really bad choice in their life, that does not help them. That choice is still there. The consequences are still there. A child does not live because of that "choice".

And, really it looks like it wasn't a real choice at all, if calling the choice a murder causes pain. That indicates anon actually knows the truth of what she did. She just doesn't want to face it.

I'm so sorry for the death of your baby, Anonymous. I will pray for you.

Men are very important in this debate. If more men believed that abortion was the taking of a human life, they'd be less blase about whom they slept with.
Related link: More on Choice and Feminism ~ The Hand Mirror

15 comment(s):

I.M Fletcher said...


We must have posted at the same time!

Andrei said...

The reason they don't want to discuss it is they know,somewhere deep down, they are wrong.

We would all like to have our sins validated and to be told they are not sins.

Sin is a struggle for us all, different people, different sins but we all are sinners one way or another.

We can have forgiveness though but that does require repentance and the first step to repentance is acknowledgment of the sin.

KG said...

But to take that first step requires courage and self-awareness and a sense of personal responsibility.
Not things which are promoted much nowadays.

Redbaiter said...

The Hand Mirror is a blog for socialist feminist fascists.

They oppose democracy, free enterprise and freedom of expression.

No point in trying to make headway there.

Psycho Milt said...

It's a depressing feature of lefty blogs that they go in for a whole lot of comments policy wank that essentially boils down to not allowing anything they find annoying. (Right-wing blogs aren't strangers to this, but they tend to at least be honest about it - eg Crusader Rabbit, Oswald Bastable and Hitting Metal have estimably blunt comments policies, for all that the policy principle is the same).

That said, Hand Mirror does have a comments policy, and declaring one of their commenters a murderer most definitely breaches it. The outcome was hardly surprising.

Redbaiter said...

"It's a depressing feature of lefty blogs that they go in for a whole lot of comments policy wank that essentially boils down to not allowing anything they find annoying."

Yep, No Ministers run by jerks like that.

Oh wait...

KG said...

And it's refreshing to find a lefty who respects the policy and doesn't insist on trying to break it PM. ;)

ZenTiger said...

PM - I thought your comment on the Hand Mirror thread was a good one.

Lucia Maria said...

Hi Fletch,
Must be one of those days.

Yes, definitely.

Yes, it does. But there's also moments of grace where a choice can be made to confront the past. I hope anonymous gets another one of those moments in the future.

Yeah, I agree.. mostly. The thing is, I know how these women think. I used to belong to a website that was full of women such as these a number of years back. I've grown up since then.

I didn't quite declare one of their commenters a murderer, though the distinction is neither here or nor there as pointing out a baby was killed seems to be the real crime. There's no polite way around that.

Thanks for the comments, everyone. I went out tonight (to a Catholic women's thing), hence the delay in replying to you all.

Have a good night!

Lucia Maria said...

Oh, still praying for everyone that visits the site. I will make sure I keep up with that.

Anonymous said...

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

There are three things that will endure: faith, hope, and charity. And the greatest of these is charity.

Lucia Maria said...

Thanks for those quotes, x.

Do you believe in any of them?

Lucia Maria said...

Saying you will pray for someone is not actually praying. All it is, is saying that you will talk to God about them, and ask God to help them. The actual praying is done separately.

Charity is very important. But it does not mean that you turn a blind eye to a person who has done wrong and say nothing. Where you enable others to make the same mistake. That is not charity.

Killing a child is not a "speck of sawdust."

Tell me, x. Do you go to regular confession where you remove the planks from your own eye?

I.M Fletcher said...

"Do not judge, lest you be judged.."

Actually, I think we have to judge everyday. I think the text actually means judging as in condemning.

Jesus also says in Matthew 18 -

"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector."

Now, if that isn't telling someone to use judgement, I don't know what is.

ZenTiger said...

To judge something is to take an interest in it. As Fletch says, it's pretty much part of our nature.

On that thread in the Hand Mirror, judgment started the moment the author declared Sarah Palin not a feminist. They judged her stance on abortion explicitly rules her out from being a feminist.

Of course, I think it's fine to argue those points - it's about having an opinion and speaking up on issues that matter to us in some way.

How-ever, when the argument "judge not.." is used simply because you fundamentally disagree with the other's opinion, whilst you yourself are busy making judgments, then it's hypocritical.

There is just as much judgment going on that thread by the pro-choice people. That's a by-product of having a discussion, and I thought, the point of a blog.

The challenge is not to condemn the judgments, but to seek to understand them, test them, debate them and still remain respectful because of the sensitive nature of the topic.

It is too important a topic though just to "STFU".

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